steadyshot
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So why pro is audiophile grade and mini is not ?The current pro webpage states:
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WiiM Pro
Versatile Audiophile-grade Music Streamer
"
What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?
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You submitted already your finished calculation in writing to WiiMs DB?
Brantome
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A new marketing team?
Maybe the form factor of the Pro and it having ethernet and coax, as well as a more capable cpu and increased RAM make it potentially more 'audiophile' than the little puck-like mini - we all know how audiophiles like how things look as well as sound
Mr Ee
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If you're after a reasonably sensible answer, maybe
The pro has a (slightly) better output stage
The pro has less jitter, iirc
The pro has coax out
The pro is a 'proper' bit of kit, being a box, not a puck
And whatever Brantome said too...
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No, I'm just saying that based on the little miracle they did with the pro. it seems that in wiim they manage to give more for the same money. I don't know how to calculate anything but I imagine that could be the price targetYou submitted already your finished calculation in writing to WiiMs DB?
Agreed. Except the mythical jitter part, the answer from the "meassurers" to all unproven, only in special ears appearing and always unlistenable issues.
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It was a joke, hope you read it as it was meant.
Mr Ee
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Nothing mythical about it. This is the Jittery Unicorn, which is also a real animal.Agreed. Except the mythical jitter part, the answer from the "meassurers" to all unproven, only in special ears appearing and always unlistenable issues.
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Brantome
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Still don't hear it
seems quite normal to me that, if this is indeed the case, wiim simply releases a review of their 2 products on the subjects where they have been beaten...
the dac and more incidentally the rca sockets...
don't forget that wiim linkplay is first and foremost a manufacturer of oem products which is tested with its "wiim" brand...
we have already had great success with mini and pro and we can understand that maybe we just want to strengthen their success in this very large public niche...
see leave more audiophile niches to historical brands or ifi etc
see
keep them customers of their modules and not come to their steps
;-)))
(they already have a lot of work to do on the software debug side etc. see.. because it becomes surprising when you observe the competition, settling this story of roon (I talk about it all the more freely as I am not concerned))
the dac and more incidentally the rca sockets...
don't forget that wiim linkplay is first and foremost a manufacturer of oem products which is tested with its "wiim" brand...
we have already had great success with mini and pro and we can understand that maybe we just want to strengthen their success in this very large public niche...
see leave more audiophile niches to historical brands or ifi etc
see
keep them customers of their modules and not come to their steps
;-)))
(they already have a lot of work to do on the software debug side etc. see.. because it becomes surprising when you observe the competition, settling this story of roon (I talk about it all the more freely as I am not concerned))
Because optical digital sockets are fragile.
steadyshot
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The fact is that I have not heard another streamer besides wiim mini.
However I did not find a single report or instance on the internet for wiim pro having better audio quality through optical compared to mini.
I have found many though that state that primare np5 > ifi zen stream > bluesound node > argon audio solo > Wiim as a transport audio quality.
However I did not find a single report or instance on the internet for wiim pro having better audio quality through optical compared to mini.
I have found many though that state that primare np5 > ifi zen stream > bluesound node > argon audio solo > Wiim as a transport audio quality.
Brantome
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You won't find a difference between their "audio quality" as they're both bit perfect over optical. And what your range of kit might be comparing is the quality of the DAC output which is analogue and not delivered over the devices' optical output.
All of sudden till brantome said pro+ only improvement was internal dac and leave everything on pro without additional connection. I’m sure this will cost more than pro but who will buy this knowing we use its coax/spdif to connect to external dac. I don’t think pro+ will sell well in comparison to pro. Most external dac that user used will be superior to the improvement on what will incorporate. They could atlist add usb out then will buy it.
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No that is only for digital stage . Primare and ifi zen stream have no DACs .
Until I hear I will keep my reservations as for how much the digital part plays a role in final audio quality .
My main reasons for the Pro are two in this order:
- Ethernet. I trust in cables.
- Build quality, form factor and weight. No need to place John Darko like IKEA doorstoppers on it. Or, even better consecrated audiophile weights for a few Dollars more
- Ethernet. I trust in cables.
- Build quality, form factor and weight. No need to place John Darko like IKEA doorstoppers on it. Or, even better consecrated audiophile weights for a few Dollars more
Brantome
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The people who will buy it if it delivers the hoped for better DAC and analogue performance and is reasonably priced compared to the Pro will be those who would have otherwise bought an external DAC costing say $100-200 dollars or more - now they can have that in one box. As I may have already said, some might view this new Pro as what the original Pro should have been - an upgrade from the Mini with a better DAC and connectivity.
What I keep saying like a caller in the desert. The DAC is important, but only if the rest of the gear can handle it accurate. F.e. even a 1k DAC will be not able to better a weak amp or speakers. So as I said so often. Saddle the horse not from the tail!
