What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?

I'm dreaming of a pair of old Thiels that will put out 250 watts per channel into 8 ohms.
 
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Wiim AVR PRO:

It would be great if Wiim:
  • Start with offering a standard AVR DD5.1 based on Amp Pro (same inputs, HDMI earc in, dolby processing, etc)
  • 5 channels of amplification + subout
  • Keep it simple, no video processing or HDMI passthrough...just all downstream audio via HDMI earc
  • Allow on the fly, electronic bridging of 4 channels to 2 channels for higher power 2.1 music listening mode. (no idea if this is possible but it would be awesome)
  • Then create a configurable stacking interface where we can add additional amps connected via digital out from AVR Pro (acting as digital pre-pro) to secondary amps to handle Atmos, DTS, etc. For example:
    • Amp Pro 2.1 (2 height or 2 surround and another sub)
    • AVR Pro 5.1 (Heights, surrounds, passive sub and 1 sub out)
    • Other future amps
This would keep the product line tight and no need to build massive all in ones. 1 AVRPRO flexes to fit larger systems, just add standard Wiim Amps. Make it all modular/configurable for those that need it.

That would be dream product to me, no idea if its feasible.
 
D700 said:
Wiim AVR PRO:

It would be great if Wiim:
  • Start with offering a standard AVR DD5.1 based on Amp Pro (same inputs, HDMI earc in, dolby processing, etc)
  • 5 channels of amplification + subout
  • Keep it simple, no video processing or HDMI passthrough...just all downstream audio via HDMI earc
  • Allow on the fly, electronic bridging of 4 channels to 2 channels for higher power 2.1 music listening mode. (no idea if this is possible but it would be awesome)
  • Then create a configurable stacking interface where we can add additional amps connected via digital out from AVR Pro (acting as digital pre-pro) to secondary amps to handle Atmos, DTS, etc. For example:
    • Amp Pro 2.1 (2 height or 2 surround and another sub)
    • AVR Pro 5.1 (Heights, surrounds, passive sub and 1 sub out)
    • Other future amps
This would keep the product line tight and no need to build massive all in ones. 1 AVRPRO flexes to fit larger systems, just add standard Wiim Amps. Make it all modular/configurable for those that need it.

That would be dream product to me, no idea if its feasible.
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Might this go some way towards that?

faq.wiimhome.com

[Beta] Setting Up a WiiM Dolby 5.1 Surround Sound System

The WiiM Amp Pro and WiiM Ultra support Dolby Digital Audio, making them perfect for building a 5.1 surround sound system. A 5.1 system creates an immersive audio experience by delivering sound from multiple directions. This setup is ideal f...
faq.wiimhome.com faq.wiimhome.com
 
Well heck, they're most of the way there, didn't know about this. Never heard of those wireless speakers, that's exactly what I need! Not a fan of virtual centers...but after reading that post, I'm super excited to see Wiim moving this direction, fantastic!

It's almost always easy to hard wire the front 3.1...then could just plug in wireless surrounds/heights as needed. Now Wiim just build the 5.1 AVR PRO, extend processing to accommodate up to 9.2.4 and they're done.

I do think on the fly channel bridging for music listening would be super cool...

I'm imagining little plug in height channel cylinders with pivoting speaker heads for bouncing Atmos channels off the ceiling:)
 
D700 said:
Wiim AVR PRO:

It would be great if Wiim:
  • Start with offering a standard AVR DD5.1 based on Amp Pro (same inputs, HDMI earc in, dolby processing, etc)
  • 5 channels of amplification + subout
  • Keep it simple, no video processing or HDMI passthrough...just all downstream audio via HDMI earc
  • Allow on the fly, electronic bridging of 4 channels to 2 channels for higher power 2.1 music listening mode. (no idea if this is possible but it would be awesome)
  • Then create a configurable stacking interface where we can add additional amps connected via digital out from AVR Pro (acting as digital pre-pro) to secondary amps to handle Atmos, DTS, etc. For example:
    • Amp Pro 2.1 (2 height or 2 surround and another sub)
    • AVR Pro 5.1 (Heights, surrounds, passive sub and 1 sub out)
    • Other future amps
This would keep the product line tight and no need to build massive all in ones. 1 AVRPRO flexes to fit larger systems, just add standard Wiim Amps. Make it all modular/configurable for those that need it.

That would be dream product to me, no idea if its feasible.
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That would be a failure . No video pass through? Lol. So basically connect a BD player and you get no picture to your TV. Brilliant.

Or you can't setup via the tv

Digital out wouldn't be allowed as that will break copy protection


And adding more boxes just to expand 5.1 to 7.1? Nah

Just have a avr with enough channels, either internal amps or pre outs.

Or something 16 channel AV pre amp out of the bat
 
rccarguy said:
That would be a failure . No video pass through? Lol. So basically connect a BD player and you get no picture to your TV. Brilliant.

Or you can't setup via the tv

Digital out wouldn't be allowed as that will break copy protection


And adding more boxes just to expand 5.1 to 7.1? Nah

Just have a avr with enough channels, either internal amps or pre outs.

Or something 16 channel AV pre amp out of the bat
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TVs output to soundbars without video over earc just fine. It keeps the cost and complexity low, why deal with video when you don’t have to…and…WiiM apps are fantastic, why would I want to use a TV when I could use a touch UI from my phone.
 
D700 said:
TVs output to soundbars without video over earc just fine. It keeps the cost and complexity low, why deal with video when you don’t have to…and…WiiM apps are fantastic, why would I want to use a TV when I could use a touch UI from my phone.
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E-ARC has it own issues, not all soundbars have ARC/E-ARC, not all devices have it, people also use monitors for their TV's. Also not all TV's pass all sound formats, and as sound formats change you won't be able to decode them. On my setup it was causing loud clicks and pops, not locking onto HD formats over E-ARC, even though both TV and processor support them. Problem went away when I put source-->processor--->TV

So no...just no.

And without phone/app, your device is totally useless. You don't know in a few years support will be ended, app no longer works, so how do you set it up?

Also need OSD for volume change, it shows onscreen. Or for displaying codec information
 
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rccarguy said:
E-ARC has it own issues, not all soundbars have ARC/E-ARC, not all devices have it, people also use monitors for their TV's. Also not all TV's pass all sound formats, and as sound formats change you won't be able to decode them. On my setup it was causing loud clicks and pops, not locking onto HD formats over E-ARC, even though both TV and processor support them. Problem went away when I put source-->processor--->TV

So no...just no.

And without phone/app, your device is totally useless. You don't know in a few years support will be ended, app no longer works, so how do you set it up?

Also need OSD for volume change, it shows onscreen. Or for displaying codec information
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I feel that's quite an illogical approach.

"Not all all soundbars have ARC/E-ARC.." ?

So do we ignore the vast majority that do?

Certainly, ARC/eARC has issues, but lots of people still use it. I'm going to guess that most people interested in this current expansion idea are already using ARC with their Ultra/Amp Pro.

And whilst I'm always up for polite, intelligent, informed debate, even disagreement, I think social media would be a far better place without patronising, condescending comments like "So no...just no." which bring absolutely nothing to the discussion.
 
wiim mini mk2 ... really better audio dac ( easy) and adc ( better toslink ouput too)
wiim pro plus mk2... better adc and num output+ balanced output
wiim ultra mk2.... better adc + balanced and l/r sub ouput... (maybe judge two line inputs and no more phono inputs) ....good headphone output?


the " pro" doesn't make much sense anymore.. ( still manufactured or already stopped?)
;-)

if an improved mini came out..i really think that could be the real pride of wiim... the real performance...
 
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The Superultra should have:
ADC performance as good as its DAC’s.
Differential analog input and output in addition to the single ended.
Two digital inputs.
Ditch the phono stage. Enthusiasts will use their own.
 
Valentino said:
The Superultra should have:
ADC performance as good as its DAC’s.
Differential analog input and output in addition to the single ended.
Two digital inputs.
Ditch the phono stage. Enthusiasts will use their own.
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given the positioning and the audio resource concerning wiim... if already significantly improves the adc stages and integrates a balanced qualitative output...and more care for what already exists
would be a good thing...

the fantasy that accompanies wiim which would be that I would have "everything for cheap!!" or each one goes from his small personal need to his limits...
we can already observe many things in progress, not settled, which fail to succeed...
(personally if wiim could intelligently manage a second stereo subwoofer on the filtering side... it would seem to me that removing the 2+1 limit would be a good thing)
I say all this quite freely because in any case i m concerned by a future wiim ""ultragalactic"" product etc ;-)

(I hope the little $50 minidsp adc toslink will live up to its promises... ;-) )
 
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Stereo sub output would be good, yes. Not so much for «stereo» as such but for independent room correction.
 
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canard said:
the fantasy that accompanies wiim which would be that I would have "everything for cheap!!"...I hope the little $50 minidsp adc toslink will live up to its promises... ;-)
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I think that's completely wrong. For sure, their are a few things missing from the Ultra which could be added, like stereo sub out, balanced out, coax in, better ADC.

But adding those three (as an example) would up the price of the Ultra by £100 maximum. Please let's not go down this road where we pretend that adding these extras would mean a WiiM Ultra Plus would cost 4 figures plus. As you've already noted, minidsp have an ADC coming for $50. Adding that to the next model (presuming it performs well) wouldn't add $50 to the price, as you simultaneously have to deduct the cost of the current ADC.

And let's also not go down the road of excusing streamers which already cost four figures plus, but which are missing important and useful features which the current Ultra already has.

The Ultra is extraordinarily well-specced and astonishing value for money. It's better specced and performs at least as well as some kit costing three times as much.

I'm afraid it's others who are living in fantasy.
 
I know that, but it XLR sells.*
Now I certainly wouldn’t suggest that Wiim should leave XLR Pin 1 disconnected…

*Differential does have merit though, say if you run long cables to active speakers, say a pair of Sigberg Audio Manta with subwoofers.
 
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