What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?

[PaintItBlack]

A 12 inch/300W version of the WiiM Sub Pro.... with more or less the same measurements of the current version.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

A 12 inch/300W version of the WiiM Sub Pro.... with more or less the same measurements of the current version.

I can't see that happening.

 

[PaintItBlack]

I can't see that happening.

Why ?? I mean, the measurements constraints can be relaxed but, why not a sub with a bigger woofer and the same integration to the WiiM ecosystem ?

 

[QuarryHunslet]

Why ?? I mean, the measurements constraints can be relaxed but, why not a sub with a bigger woofer and the same integration to the WiiM ecosystem ?

It would need to be considerably larger in size and weight, but could be done.

I’m not sure whether there would be sufficient demand for such a product in the WiiM ecosystem.

 

[Aquaman]

I‘d like to see a discounted model without subwoofer support and without EQ/Roomfit.
It should cost about half of the regular models since 90% of the personnel cost will be for the development and implementation of those non included ‚features‘.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

I‘d like to see a discounted model without subwoofer support and without EQ/Roomfit.
It should cost about half of the regular models since 90% of the personnel cost will be for the development and implementation of those non included ‚features‘.

I’m with you on the EQ/RoomFit, but not the subwoofer support.

 

[Aquaman]

I’m with you on the EQ/RoomFit, but not the subwoofer support.

If you have decent (and big enough) loudspeakers and and amp that can really drive them you don‘t need a sub for true sound reproduction in a home environment. Adding a sub to such a system is mere straining after effects.
I‘m aware that this is lost ground for me. The majority of people of the same opinion will hardly be on such a forum.

 

[harkpabst]

A great example of everybody having their own opinion on what is needed and what isn't.

Obviously, WiiM came to the same conclusion as I did and decided that proper subwoofer management and room correction are main selling points and considered essential by others. Each to their own, WiiM will produce whatever they identify as well selling.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

If you have decent (and big enough) loudspeakers and and amp that can really drive them you don‘t need a sub for true sound reproduction in a home environment. Adding a sub to such a system is mere straining after effects.

One of my systems doesn’t need a subwoofer, but another one does.

 

[PaintItBlack]

It would need to be considerably larger in size and weight, but could be done.

I’m not sure whether there would be sufficient demand for such a product in the WiiM ecosystem.

The SVS 1000 is larger, but not that larger, in fact smaller in some dimensions. In fact this is one of the minuses (for me) of the current model, almost 40cm wide and only a 20cm woofer. To be precise 399 x 301 x 322 mm (WiiM) vs 342 x 330 x 352 mm (SVS 100 Pro). In fact if we want a smaller sub I would go for the 3000 Micro 278 x 297 x 271 mm, although at almost double the price of the WiiM.

 

[QuarryHunslet]

A great example of everybody having their own opinion on what is needed and what isn't.

Obviously, WiiM came to the same conclusion as I did and decided that proper subwoofer management and room correction are main selling points and considered essential by others. Each to their own, WiiM will produce whatever they identify as well selling.

Yes, I agree with you that WiiM will produce products that they believe the customer base will find appealing, and affordable.

 

[Aquaman]

A great example of everybody having their own opinion on what is needed and what isn't.

Obviously, WiiM came to the same conclusion as I did and decided that proper subwoofer management and room correction are main selling points and considered essential by others. Each to their own, WiiM will produce whatever they identify as well selling.

Of course they will. And I realise that EQ and subs are THE big deal currently. One just needs to look at the topics on this forum. 80% subs and EQ.

I also have other hobbies in which I am more of an expert than in HiFi. There I can truely evaluate what is valid and what is BS fueled by the respective current hype. The parallels are more than obvious.

 

[harkpabst]

One of my systems doesn’t need a subwoofer, but another one does.

My Radiant Acoustics Clarity 6.2 sound superbly with no sub. But I assure you they really are even better with a stereo pair of Lyngdorf BW-2 subwoofers.

Admittedly, one big advantage of having great subwoofer integration as provided by WiiM is the fact that you can get along with pretty small main speakers. That's the obvious use case and it's important for many users. But there is still this other thing, that the perfect position for (sub-)woofer is not necessarily the perfect position for a speaker playing upper bass, mids and highs. Being able to separate the position can be beneficial even with pretty bass capable main speakers, even if it's not a must.

I'm happy WiiM gives us these options to choose from.

One just needs to look at the topics on this forum. 80% subs and EQ.

You might suspect fashion here, but I assure you it's not. Many ways to skin a cat and I sure as hell enjoy listening to my friends pair of Quad ESL fed by a 303 power amp and 44 pre-amp. No sub, not room correction, pure fascination. But in most domestic environments room correction and sub(s) provide great bang for the buck.

Unfortunately, both still need some work and understanding to be set up correctly in many cases.

 

[Aquaman]

My Radiant Acoustics Clarity 6.2 sound superbly with no sub. But I assure you they really are even better with a stereo pair of Lyngdorf BW-2 subwoofers.

Admittedly, one big advantage of having great subwoofer integration as provided by WiiM is the fact that you can get along with pretty small main speakers. That's the obvious use case and it's important for many users. But there is still this other thing, that the perfect position for (sub-)woofer is not necessarily the perfect position for a speaker playing upper bass, mids and highs. Being able to separate the position can be beneficial even with pretty bass capable main speakers, even if it's not a must.

I'm happy WiiM gives us these options to choose from.


You might suspect fashion here, but I assure you it's not. Many ways to skin the cat and I sure as hell enjoy listening to my friends pair of Quad ESL fed by a 303 power amp and 44 pre-amp. No sub, not room correction, pure fascination. But in most domestic environments room correction and sub(s) provide great bang for the buck.

Unfortunately, both still need some work and understanding to be set up correctly in many cases.

You are 100% right … in absolute terms. But put in relation to what most people really need much of it is overkill.
A vast majority of people buy speakers that are cheap as chips and naturally feel that there something wrong or missing. No wonder. The next step is the rugged attempt to cure those shortcomings via EQ and the addition of one or more subs.

Executed correctly I am certain that those tools will bring out the optimum that can be achieved. But the regular user can have 90% at 10% of the fuss if he does it right. And that‘s what people are not seeing.