As transport to the DAC in my active speakers compared to as having Wiim Ultra as transport to my the DAC in my active speakers.
Will do Dirac measurements Today.
Wiim Ultra vs Node Icon
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Will do Dirac measurements Today.
But is that not for the streaming services only? (Not for the digital inputs like HDMI / Optical IN)
either way it was deactivated.
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Ah sorry . Did not phrase that correctly . I meant if you also tested it as a dac. But in your case it may not matter since you will have double conversions
From the bluos documentation, I can deduce that "replay gain" looks to metadata of reproducing file, regardless it's from a streaming service. Since those metadata are not always precise, at last it doesn't work so well
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Hi.
Well, finally today I started the process of returning my Icon to the seller because they have not been able to solve the problem with the updates since the Icon stays with the solid red light and the screen off after an update and there have been two since that I bought it. On both occasions the device has been compromised the same. Furthermore, and to check the noise that some have detected when connecting the It has definitely made me return the Icon.
Bluesound has told me that instead of using wifi to use my ethernet cable, what solution is that?
I'll stick with my previous setup of Wiim Pro and my external DAC. Perhaps soon will be the Wiim Ultra or the new Eversolo DMP-A6 ME Gen 2.
Bluesound: See you.
Well, finally today I started the process of returning my Icon to the seller because they have not been able to solve the problem with the updates since the Icon stays with the solid red light and the screen off after an update and there have been two since that I bought it. On both occasions the device has been compromised the same. Furthermore, and to check the noise that some have detected when connecting the It has definitely made me return the Icon.
Bluesound has told me that instead of using wifi to use my ethernet cable, what solution is that?
I'll stick with my previous setup of Wiim Pro and my external DAC. Perhaps soon will be the Wiim Ultra or the new Eversolo DMP-A6 ME Gen 2.
Bluesound: See you.
I presume you were able to reset and restart.
Wich level of Bluos is your Icon? Before the 4.8.7 I had frequent freezes of MDC2 card that needed hard reset. Since they it seems more reliable.
I also was thinking to test ethernet cable but amplifier it's in a not easily reachable position whilst it's very well covered by wifi.
Sorry for not posting my results regharding RC with Node Icon vs Ultra, my Umik was "dropped" and broke, so awaiting the replacement!
I did get some useful information regarding how Dirac works on the Node Icon though that might be of interest to some of you so thought I put it here:
This is an email reply from Diracs support regarding what resolution/frequency is used for the processing:
"Lukas G.
Tue 2025-02-04 13:59
Hi,
The Bluesound Node Icon has a 24 bit resolution and a max sample rate of 192 kHz. These are still active when Dirac is used.
We do the measurements with a sample frequency of 48 kHz. All frequencies higher than this Nyquist frequency (24 kHz) are passed through and are not filtered. Though filtering will be calculated depending on the input sample rate. So at a 192 kHz playback sample rate, Dirac will use a 192 kHz sampled filter.
I hope this helps.
Best regards
Lukas"
I did get some useful information regarding how Dirac works on the Node Icon though that might be of interest to some of you so thought I put it here:
This is an email reply from Diracs support regarding what resolution/frequency is used for the processing:
"Lukas G.
Tue 2025-02-04 13:59
Hi,
The Bluesound Node Icon has a 24 bit resolution and a max sample rate of 192 kHz. These are still active when Dirac is used.
We do the measurements with a sample frequency of 48 kHz. All frequencies higher than this Nyquist frequency (24 kHz) are passed through and are not filtered. Though filtering will be calculated depending on the input sample rate. So at a 192 kHz playback sample rate, Dirac will use a 192 kHz sampled filter.
I hope this helps.
Best regards
Lukas"
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So, if I understood, the measurement it's done at a given frequency and this is not a problem, since it measures the room response shape. Then filtering is applied up to 24KHz and original sample rate of incoming signals are not changed. Filtering over 24KHz, I think it would be absolutely worthless...
So I'm hoping that my C3050LE acts this way also, anyway it really shines...
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Yes, and my main take away was that it actually does not downsample anything when the Dirac RC is active according to what he writes (and to my understanding at least).
.I hope also, that miniDSP when says in Flex datasheet:
"Processing resolution / Sample rate 32 bit/96 kHz (32bit/48 kHz with Dirac Live® license)"
means relatively the measure stage or on analog inputs only...
WiiM ultra vs Node Icon , now we have the mesurements to compare ….
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The fixed anti aliasing filter on the Node Icon is a joke.
Probably chosen to make the player sound like a ”highend” streamer , i.e. worsening the signal and making it sound more analog and less dynamic, possibly more earfriendly because of this.
This is in common with some other streamers with a +1000 dollar price, making them sound different.
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