An unimaginable torture: Ultra or Amp Pro

WiiM Support said:
Yes.
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Sorry, I presume you mean by ‘control’ and ‘separate DAC chip’ you’re talking about bass management, etc., in the DAC that’s IN the Ultra.

By ‘separate DAC chip’ I presumed onlyoneme was referring to any external DAC.
 
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Now that the Wiim Amp pro is launched, I am beginning to wonder if I should sell my Wiim Ultra (and two Fosi V3 Monos) and buy the Amp Pro instead.

My reasons being:
  1. Phono stage
    The big difference for med with choosing the Ultra over Amp Pro was initially the Phono input in the Ultra. However, as it turns out I use line in for vinyl, since I have chosen to go with the phono stage in my Denon dp-40 over the Ultra's. So that reason is gone (although I do use the earthing, which I don't know if even works with line in).
  2. Screen
    My Ultra is placed right next to my tv, too far from my listening position to really be of use, but close enough to distract me when I watch tv (connected through HDMI Arc) so I have recently shut the screen off altogether. In addition, I use my apple tv to display album art when playing music from Spotify (Airplay picture to Apple tv/audio through Wiim Ultra). So screen is not a reason either
  3. Power
    I realize that I get more power with my V3 Monos, but I am not sure if all that power is really needed, or even used. I seldomly listen at loud levels although I do listen to a lot of music (currently from Spotify Connect and Youtube, considering Tidal). This, I guess is the question I need answered - Am I benefitting from my current setup, or would I be better served with the Amp Pro? I do value the clean look of just having a single device do everything. On the other hand any audible benefits also matter. I should state that my connected speakers are Dali Oberon 5's on each side og the tv and an Argon Sub S850 tugged away behind the couch.
🤔
 
The overall rating over on ASR puts the Amp Pro on par with the v3 Monos:

audiosciencereview.com

WiiM Amp Pro Streaming Stereo Amplifier Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the WiiM Amp Pro networked streaming stereo class D amplifier. It was sent to me by the company and costs US $379. The package is minimalistic in nature and matches the "non-pro" version of the amplifier. The volume indicator is that set of LEDs...
audiosciencereview.com audiosciencereview.com
 
Giro413 said:
Power
I realize that I get more power with my V3 Monos, but I am not sure if all that power is really needed, or even used. I seldomly listen at loud levels although I do listen to a lot of music (currently from Spotify Connect and Youtube, considering Tidal). This, I guess is the question I need answered - Am I benefitting from my current setup, or would I be better served with the Amp Pro? I do value the clean look of just having a single device do everything. On the other hand any audible benefits also matter. I should state that my connected speakers are Dali Oberon 5's on each side og the tv and an Argon Sub S850 tugged away behind the couch.
🤔
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Power is deceptive, I have some 40w amps from the past that go louder than 120w amps from 2024. If it sounds nice, and goes loud enough without sounding worse, it has enough power.
 
Giro413 said:
Now that the Wiim Amp pro is launched, I am beginning to wonder if I should sell my Wiim Ultra (and two Fosi V3 Monos) and buy the Amp Pro instead.

My reasons being:
  1. Phono stage
    The big difference for med with choosing the Ultra over Amp Pro was initially the Phono input in the Ultra. However, as it turns out I use line in for vinyl, since I have chosen to go with the phono stage in my Denon dp-40 over the Ultra's. So that reason is gone (although I do use the earthing, which I don't know if even works with line in).
  2. Screen
    My Ultra is placed right next to my tv, too far from my listening position to really be of use, but close enough to distract me when I watch tv (connected through HDMI Arc) so I have recently shut the screen off altogether. In addition, I use my apple tv to display album art when playing music from Spotify (Airplay picture to Apple tv/audio through Wiim Ultra). So screen is not a reason either
  3. Power
    I realize that I get more power with my V3 Monos, but I am not sure if all that power is really needed, or even used. I seldomly listen at loud levels although I do listen to a lot of music (currently from Spotify Connect and Youtube, considering Tidal). This, I guess is the question I need answered - Am I benefitting from my current setup, or would I be better served with the Amp Pro? I do value the clean look of just having a single device do everything. On the other hand any audible benefits also matter. I should state that my connected speakers are Dali Oberon 5's on each side og the tv and an Argon Sub S850 tugged away behind the couch.
🤔
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FYI the Pro was reviewed yesterday over at Audio Science Review. The Ultra review is in the works.
 
canard said:
I didn't follow..allows the connection of a DAC to its USB?
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Yeah, you can take usb audio out from the ultra, amp or amp pro into an external DAC or amp. (Note: NOT usb audio in to the WiiM)
 
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Burnside said:
Could you please clarify this further - can sub out be fully used when usb out is in use for the Ultra, Amp and Amp Pro, or is it still under investigation? Thx

@WiiM Team , @WiiM Support , @RyanWithWiim
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On the Ultra, the sub LFE out works in conjunction with coax or optical out to an external DAC (this is how I am using it), but sub out does not (yet) work when using USB out.

I don't see it being possible (yet) with Amp Pro to use external DAC with sub/bass management unless/until WiiM finds a way to make digital out from USB work simultaneously with LFE output to sub since Amp Pro does not have coax our optical out.

-Ed
 
EddNog said:
On the Ultra, the sub LFE out works in conjunction with coax or optical out to an external DAC (this is how I am using it), but sub out does not (yet) work when using USB out.

I don't see it being possible (yet) with Amp Pro to use external DAC with sub/bass management unless/until WiiM finds a way to make digital out from USB work simultaneously with LFE output to sub since Amp Pro does not have coax our optical out.

-Ed
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Hi, events have moved on since the months old comment you quote - WiiM have since confirmed in their product roadmaps that this feature is in development, rather than just being under investigation.
 
Burnside said:
Hi, events have moved on since the months old comment you quote - WiiM have since confirmed in their product roadmaps that this feature is in development, rather than just being under investigation.
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Which is great, to a degree. The tree is planted, but there is no fruit yet.

-Ed
 
I think wiim should put progress chart on their project so we dont have to ask questions. This give transparent for us wiim users.
 
wplynx914 said:
@WiiM Support any updates on on sub out and usb out for the Wiim amp ? This will be very key on my setup. ? Any beta release with it yet ?
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Hi wplynx914, team

We’ve made great strides in supporting USB audio with Sub-out functionality. The Beta version is expected to be released in a couple of weeks. Stay tuned for updates!
 
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