Connecting external dac to ultra

[Vignus]

Until quite recently I agreed with you. But listening to very loud music exacerbates problems.

I was using the default wiim ultra filter: Linear Phase Fast Roll-off Filter type.

I found the song All By Myself by Celine Dion (1996) was harsh in the treble at very loud volumes.

So I tried all of the wiim ultra filters in the order that I'd prefer next best looking at their frequency curves. Every one sounded better each time.

The last one I tried, the one I least wanted to sound best knowing the frequency curves, was Corrected Minimum Phase Fast Roll-Off Filter.

So I used that filter for all my listening, loud and normal, and actually found I was enjoying all the music more.

This intrigued me so I started reading up on DAC filters, which is when I learnt about NOS. On examining the Fiio K11 R2R frequency curve I saw it performed almost as well as the wiim default filter, only down about 2.5db at 20khz, so I thought to give it a try - I do prefer a DAC respecting a 20hz to 20khz flat frequency response, but it's got to sound good with all music I listen to - I don't like fidgeting with tone controls.

And now I'm enjoying the music more at any level using the Fiio NOS mode DAC.

I must reiterate that I could only decide a difference at very loud volumes. And can fully understand one not being able to hear the difference at normal listening levels.

Fiio R2R is a great DAC!

 

[Vignus]

I use my equipment to listen to music. Audiophiles use music to listen to their equipment.

Right! And not audiophiles use music AND their equipment to listen to pops in between tracks.

 

[Vignus]

What is the difference then?

In example, Fiio r2r has an audible wider stage then the Ultra DAC

 

[Pragmatist]

Everyone who uses this quote or parts of it should sign it as "from Alan Parsons". Even in a signature. Otherwise it is slippery

 

[slartibartfast]

Everyone who uses this quote or parts of it should sign it as "from Alan Parsons". Even in a signature. Otherwise it is slippery

Which quote

 

[Burnside]

Which quote

"Audiophiles use music to listen to their equipment"

 

[Pragmatist]

Which quote

Sorry, forgot to point. But @Burnside is right, of course.

 

[hgo58]

"Audiophiles use music to listen to their equipment"

Really. I didn't know it was from him. I have used this or similar for many years. Where is this from?

 

[Pragmatist]

Really. I didn't know it was from him. I have used this or similar for many years. Where is this from?

One of many

 

[hgo58]

In example, Fiio r2r has an audible wider stage then the Ultra DAC

Ok. Never tried it. I have the sound stage I need. I am using external DACs of unknown type, one in each active speaker (Wharfedale). Probably going directly from PCM data to PWM for the class d amp.

 

[Burnside]

Really. I didn't know it was from him. I have used this or similar for many years. Where is this from?

This suggests someone else coined the phrase from this Alan Parsons interview

Alan Parsons on audiophiles

In an interesting interview at CEPro, Alan Parsons, the man who engineered Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and yes, had his own Project, says that room acoustics are…

boingboing.net

 

[hgo58]

This suggests someone else coined the phrase from this Alan Parsons interview

Alan Parsons on audiophiles

In an interesting interview at CEPro, Alan Parsons, the man who engineered Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and yes, had his own Project, says that room acoustics are…

boingboing.net

I was using it back in the 90' so I think it is from Parsons sometimes in the 70' or 80' then?

 

[slartibartfast]

I was using it back in the 90' so I think it is from Parsons sometimes in the 70' or 80' then?

On the other hand he may never have said it. I am sure there are many quotes on t'internet that are made up or wrongly attributed

 

[Pragmatist]

My famous quotes are also misused sometimes

 

[jfbuk]

Talking of ownership of quotes

 

[Chaplyga]

Friends. What type of connection do you use between WiiM Ultra and Fiio K11 R2R?
And is there any technical justification for this? (galvanic isolation, clocking, etc.)

 

[Mr Ee]

Friends. What type of connection do you use between WiiM Ultra and Fiio K11 R2R?
And is there any technical justification for this? (galvanic isolation, clocking, etc.)

Welcome.

Well, Wiims come with an optical cable so that's an instant option.
I happened to use usb as I was using optical for another dac.
You may or may not hear any difference between the 3. I don't recall hearing any differences so went with what cable / connection was available.

 

[FedotovKA]

Welcome.

Well, Wiims come with an optical cable so that's an instant option.
I happened to use usb as I was using optical for another dac.
You may or may not hear any difference between the 3. I don't recall hearing any differences so went with what cable / connection was available.

Everything is correct! Because there can't be any differences)

If there are differences, it means that one of the DACs is introducing distortions.