How to connect Wiim SUB-pro to Preamp with RCA Output

Anatollica

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Hi all,


I’m considering buying a Wiim SUB, but I’m not sure how best to connect it to my system.

My setup:
  • Preamp: Vincent SA-31 (two sets of stereo RCA outputs: Output 1 L/R and Output 2 L/R)
  • Power amp: Only has speaker outputs, no line-level or sub out
  • Speakers: Passive, connected to the power amp
  • Subwoofer: Wiim SUB, which has only a single RCA line-in (mono)

My idea was to use one of the preamp’s RCA outputs for the power amp and the other for the subwoofer. Since the sub has only a mono RCA input, I thought about using a Y-type RCA cable to combine L/R into one input.

However, someone at a local Hi-Fi shop warned me that connecting L/R this way might cause problems — possibly making the stereo outputs collapse into mono, which I definitely don’t want.

So my questions are:

  1. Can I safely connect the Wiim SUB to the Vincent SA-31 using its second set of RCA outputs?
  2. Do I need a special adapter or summing cable for stereo-to-mono, or is a simple Y-cable enough?
  3. Alternatively, should I use some DSP between my preamp and amp to manage sub integration?

Any advice on the correct and safe way to connect this sub would be very helpful.


Thanks!
 

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Hi @Anatollica!

You must not directly connect the L + R stereo outputs using a Y style cable or adapter. These are splitters, meant to split one single (low output impedance) output into two, which can be connected to two (high input impedance) inputs. Even if the cables fit mechanically, they must not be used to join the left and right output together.

Here's a little more info on why this is to be avoided and potentially dangerous:


You either need an active summation device or at least a cable that decouples the outputs from each other sufficiently using resistors. Unfortunately (and as pointed out in the aforementioned link), such cables are not to be found commercially (to the best of my knowledge). You might be able to pick up a readily made passive summation box but I have no recommendations. To learn a bit on how you could build something yourself have a look at this discussion (in particular the PDF attached to post #8):

 
Hi @Anatollica!

You must not directly connect the L + R stereo outputs using a Y style cable or adapter. These are splitters, meant to split one single (low output impedance) output into two, which can be connected to two (high input impedance) inputs. Even if the cables fit mechanically, they must not be used to join the left and right output together.

Here's a little more info on why this is to be avoided and potentially dangerous:


You either need an active summation device or at least a cable that decouples the outputs from each other sufficiently using resistors. Unfortunately (and as pointed out in the aforementioned link), such cables are not to be found commercially (to the best of my knowledge). You might be able to pick up a readily made passive summation box but I have no recommendations. To learn a bit on how you could build something yourself have a look at this discussion (in particular the PDF attached to post #8):

Thank you! Do you think this might help:


I am not technical guy, so I will not be able to do it bu myself. ))

Maybe there could be some additional Digital Sound Processor between preamp and amp that will split signal to amp and sub?
 

Yes, both these devices will do the trick. Get the one, which is less expensive for you to obtain.

Both boxes are passive (no power supply needed), so all they really do is to implement the resistors mentioned in the descriptions above. Unless the output resistance of the pre-amp was unusually high (they don't provide this information for the SA-31) the exact values of the resistors used are not critical at all, so any box should work.

Maybe there could be some additional Digital Sound Processor between preamp and amp that will split signal to amp and sub?

You mean like you would buy an additional processor? The miniDSP 2x4 HD can certainly do that. The question is if you need it/want it anyway.

The WiiM Sub Pro already provides you with the DSP for its own needs (including RoomFit room correction) and the cheap mono converters do work. If you plan to apply Dirac room correction to your entire system you can certainly go with the 2x4 HD. You just have to spend the money for the processor, a UMIK-1, and the Dirac license.
 
Yes, both these devices will do the trick. Get the one, which is less expensive for you to obtain.

Both boxes are passive (no power supply needed), so all they really do is to implement the resistors mentioned in the descriptions above. Unless the output resistance of the pre-amp was unusually high (they don't provide this information for the SA-31) the exact values of the resistors used are not critical at all, so any box should work.



You mean like you would buy an additional processor? The miniDSP 2x4 HD can certainly do that. The question is if you need it/want it anyway.

The WiiM Sub Pro already provides you with the DSP for its own needs (including RoomFit room correction) and the cheap mono converters do work. If you plan to apply Dirac room correction to your entire system you can certainly go with the 2x4 HD. You just have to spend the money for the processor, a UMIK-1, and the Dirac license.
Thank you very much for your kind support!
 
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