I/O Scenes

[Martin Mayhead]

I'm a little frustrated about the fact that there is no way to setup preset configurations of input, output and parameters thereof. It's a really manually intensive process at present to go from room listening to headphone listening for example.

So what I am thinking of is the ability to setup and save named "scenes". Each scene would consist of the following;
a name for the scene
the input to use for the scene
the output(s) to use for the scene (within the constraints of the hardware routing)
- note can be more than one for example line out + headphone, sp/dif + line out, line out + sub, headphones only ...
eq selection
- option for eq to follow input (as at present) or be scene specific
room correction enable/disable
- independent of eq
- enables room correction off for headphone etc
fixed volume on/off
- probably for digital outputs only
In addition the last used volume setting should be saved with a scene preferably or at least the last volume before switched to fixed should be resumed after switch back

I think all of this just constitutes software changes and hopefully there is enough persistent memory to store these as there isn't much data for each.

 

[Burnside]

Like this? https://forum.wiimhome.com/threads/saved-settings-profiles.5049/ , especially comment #22?

 

[Martin Mayhead]

A little like that although I think what you mocked up is somewhat over-complicated. I'm not sure, for example, why you'd need to control crossover frequency by scene unless you have multiple sets of speakers to integrate with and that is probably the next step beyond. If that sort of complication is needed then you probably want to factor it out so you have (user-defined) configs for things like subwoofer params, input config params etc and then select that in the scene.

 

[gazza1101]

Yes, even just remembering the last used settings for an input would help, I think there maybe a beta for smart presets.

 

[Burnside]

A little like that although I think what you mocked up is somewhat over-complicated. I'm not sure, for example, why you'd need to control crossover frequency by scene unless you have multiple sets of speakers to integrate with and that is probably the next step beyond. If that sort of complication is needed then you probably want to factor it out so you have (user-defined) configs for things like subwoofer params, input config params etc and then select that in the scene.

It’s just a list of all config options in the app, making it as flexible as you might (or might not) wish. I’d bet if a setting was left out, you’d get someone complaining about it. Also, saving such configs could act as backup if you need to reset your device if there was an option to save them in the app as well as the device itself.

 

[Martin Mayhead]

I think you could make this a kind of snapshot approach i.e. you have the ability to save the current config as a named scene. That would allow the complication if needed.

 

[Burnside]

I think you could make this a kind of snapshot approach i.e. you have the ability to save the current config as a named scene. That would allow the complication if needed.

Yeah, that was the idea - you could save all or some of the current settings, and similarly on restore choose all or a subset.

 

[Burnside]

the output(s) to use for the scene (within the constraints of the hardware routing)
- note can be more than one for example line out + headphone, sp/dif + line out, line out + sub, headphones only ...
eq selection

Missed this on first reading - although the ability to have more than one main (I.e. excluding sub) output type at a time has often been requested, the current WiiM hardware/firmware only supports one.

 

[Martin Mayhead]

yep - that's why I wrote the caveat - within the constraints of hardware routing.
But I think that one from line out/optical/coax/usb together with sub and, ideally, headphones would be fine. If headphones can't be run at same time as digital outs then maybe one from from line/optical/co-ax/headphones would suffice

 

[Burnside]

yep - that's why I wrote the caveat - within the constraints of hardware routing.
But I think that one from line out/optical/coax/usb together with sub and, ideally, headphones would be fine. If headphones can't be run at same time as digital outs then maybe one from from line/optical/co-ax/headphones would suffice

Looking at the audio output list for my Ultra, headphone is an exclusive choice same as the others.

 

[Martin Mayhead]

I agree it is an exclusive choice at present but I am hoping that it need not be. That does depend, however, on the signal routing in the hardware which, obviously, I don't know.

 

[Wiimer]

I'm a little frustrated about the fact that there is no way to setup preset configurations of input, output and parameters thereof. It's a really manually intensive process at present to go from room listening to headphone listening for example.

So what I am thinking of is the ability to setup and save named "scenes". Each scene would consist of the following;
a name for the scene
the input to use for the scene
the output(s) to use for the scene (within the constraints of the hardware routing)
- note can be more than one for example line out + headphone, sp/dif + line out, line out + sub, headphones only ...
eq selection
- option for eq to follow input (as at present) or be scene specific
room correction enable/disable
- independent of eq
- enables room correction off for headphone etc
fixed volume on/off
- probably for digital outputs only
In addition the last used volume setting should be saved with a scene preferably or at least the last volume before switched to fixed should be resumed after switch back

I think all of this just constitutes software changes and hopefully there is enough persistent memory to store these as there isn't much data for each.

Yes, I agree with you. I mean, the (yamahaAVR) scene feature has been suggested here many times by me too.

And the smart presets they are developing are already 50% complete. I believe this is close to the scene functionality we are looking for. Volume, output, EQ, repeat and shuffle can be registered as they are currently set. Presets can also be edited and changed to any value.

In my opinion, if some of the items can add in the future, it will be almost complete.

So perhaps there is no need to request the feature itself anymore. Once smart presets are officially added, you can make new suggestions about issues.

Personally, I think it would be perfect if these options add.

1, Presets can be registered by pressing and holding the preset button on the WiiM remote for 3 seconds.

2, Make presets available via Alexa or other smart devices (although this may be difficult to achieve.)

3, Input sources are excluded from preset registration, and the currently playing source is not stopped when the preset button is pressed.

 

[Mr Ee]

I think that smart presets have a fair way to go yet from my beta experience.
I definitely would want the choice of deciding whether each preset is smart or not given the current state.
Right now I feel they are more half-baked (I had trouble thinking of a suitable word that wasn't overly harsh) than smart.

Edit: you say 50% complete, I say half-baked... similar, but not really

 

[Wiimer]

I definitely would want the choice of deciding whether each preset is smart or not given the current state.

You are correct, but if input switching is added to the preset, the UI will be changed accordingly, and I am sure the situation will change. For example, if the input (or source) is still "currently", a specific thumbnail will be displayed.

I assume you know that, if nothing is done after the preset is registered, it will function the same as the current preset.