I'd like a real Pro version please

[taube Taube]

Well it depends on what sort of music you listen to really. For a lot of modern pop rock jazz recordings theres really no need, but for classical music theres a very good argument for using dynamic range compression

Pop rock etc has a pretty limited dynamic range

Classical often has huge dynamic range, very quiet passages and then enormously loud. Sounds great in the concert hall but in the domestic environment you have to ride the volume controls

Classical radio broadcasts and streams already apply dynamic range compression so its much easier to listen to

What i'd like is a flexible system of compression I can add onto my streams etc in the Wiim

The same function would probably be useful for people using Wiim to provide sound for TV and movies as well. We all know what its like with actors mumbling dialogue nowadays followed by a huge explosion

Not convinced. For this small number of recordings, you can use computer programs. I don't even want to discuss cinematography. Seriously, why ask WiiM for this? Buy the device you need.

 

[canard]

This isn't for me, I guess?

Yes sorry

 

[Fletcher Munson]

It's because you're not following the process, the difficulties encountered by Wiim... and seem even less to realize the difficulty of the long list—which seems to be just a list—that you're requesting... not Wiim's market, nor their expertise (unless you call on high-end consultants in these areas). We're constantly bombarded with long, fantastical lists of "what Wiim should do," but this... hihi

Yep, i know how difficult it is to implement what they have already done. and my post did say just compression would do me fine, and saving EQ settings etc. all the other stuff may be dream time

And you we already use Wiim as a complex active crossover system by combining Wiim pro's in parallel synced afaik

 

[canard]

and "at a low price, of course!"

 

[Fletcher Munson]

Not convinced. For this small number of recordings, you can use computer programs. I don't even want to discuss cinematography. Seriously, why ask WiiM for this? Buy the device you need.

With respect the classical repertoire is not a "small number of recordings"

 

[taube Taube]

Yes sorry

No need to apologize.

 

[Fletcher Munson]

How many years have Wiim been in the market ? not long, why not look to the future with features. This is the long game. Processing power improves etc.

They have nailed streaming, and it sounds like amplification as well

 

[taube Taube]

With respect the classical repertoire is not a "small number of recordings"

Perhaps too much dynamic range is just as much of a mistake as too little? I rarely listen to classical music, but I've never noticed anything unusual—it's quiet where it should be, and booming where it should be.

Why would you need a multi-band compressor at home? You still have to figure out how to set it up.

 

[Fletcher Munson]

Perhaps too much dynamic range is just as much of a mistake as too little? I rarely listen to classical music, but I've never noticed anything unusual—it's quiet where it should be, and booming where it should be.

Why would you need a multi-band compressor at home? You still have to figure out how to set it up.

Its a common problem which is why the broadcasters of classical music use it all the time

As for learning curves you can add presets like the current EQ has.

 

[canard]

Ps
The idea of using dynamic range compression on classical music is heresy...it's ridiculous except in very noisy environments, like cars, in fm radio etc.
It's nonsense in normaly use
(especially since you seem to be suggesting applying your level of dynamic compression to what would already have been applied upstream...)

 

[taube Taube]

broadcasters of classical music use it all the time

All broadcasters use it... But not for that purpose, but to ensure all tracks sound roughly the same, and are acceptable on budget equipment and in cars. At home, I prefer the sound as is.

 

[Fletcher Munson]

Ps
The idea of using dynamic range compression on classical music is heresy...it's ridiculous except in very noisy environments, like cars, in fm radio etc.
It's nonsense in normaly use

Thats a common argument in "audiophile" arenas. The reality is different for late night listening, moderately noisy domestic environments. sorry to dump some AI, but it saves time:

Problem:

• Concert hall: 85dB average, can handle 110dB peaks (you're there, context appropriate)
• Home: 75dB average → peaks hit 95dB (too loud for neighbors/room) OR turn down → pppp inaudible over ambient noise (fridge, traffic = 35-40dB)

Solution:

• Gentle compression (3-6dB)
• Quiet passages lifted above room noise
• Loud passages controlled to comfortable level
• Can actually hear the music across full dynamic range

Benefits:

• No volume riding (immersion maintained)
• Hours of comfortable listening
• Hear details you'd otherwise miss
• Broadcast engineers use this (BBC Radio 3) - they know what works

Audiophile Anti-Compression:​

Argument:

• "Composer's intent!"
• "Destroys dynamics!"
• "Concert hall experience!"

Why it's flawed:

• Ignores domestic reality (small room ≠ concert hall)
• Concert hall acoustics naturally compress (reverb smooths dynamics)
• Assumes unlimited SPL available (unrealistic)
• Prioritizes theoretical purity over practical enjoyment

Result:

• Either too loud (peaks painful) or too quiet (lose detail)
• Constant volume adjustment
• Can't actually enjoy the music

 

[EddNog]

Thanks. I've looked into it a bit; the price in Japan is 303,600 JPY (1,960 USD). I'm not sure yet whether it's worth paying that..

Is the cost of DIRAC included?

Yes, DIRAC is included in all SHD models. The SHD Studio is less expensive if you already have a separate DAC or downstream amp with digital input. The SHD of course supports multiple/stereo subs, too, with excellent bass management control.

-Ed

 

[Wiimer]

stereo subs,

To be honest, it's very appealing to me.

 

[EddNog]

To be honest, it's very appealing to me.

The streaming platform (UI) is Volumio. I have not tried it myself, so cannot speak to if it’s any good. I would hope it is better than HEOS or BluOS, both which suck, but I don’t expect it to be as good as WiiM or Eversolo UIs.

Nothing stops you from attaching a WiiM to the miniDSP SHD’s digital inputs.

-Ed

 

[canard]

Thats a common argument in "audiophile" arenas. The reality is different for late night listening, moderately noisy domestic environments. sorry to dump some AI, but it saves time:

Problem:

• Concert hall: 85dB average, can handle 110dB peaks (you're there, context appropriate)
• Home: 75dB average → peaks hit 95dB (too loud for neighbors/room) OR turn down → pppp inaudible over ambient noise (fridge, traffic = 35-40dB)

Solution:

• Gentle compression (3-6dB)
• Quiet passages lifted above room noise
• Loud passages controlled to comfortable level
• Can actually hear the music across full dynamic range

Benefits:

• No volume riding (immersion maintained)
• Hours of comfortable listening
• Hear details you'd otherwise miss
• Broadcast engineers use this (BBC Radio 3) - they know what works

Audiophile Anti-Compression:​

Argument:

• "Composer's intent!"
• "Destroys dynamics!"
• "Concert hall experience!"

Why it's flawed:

• Ignores domestic reality (small room ≠ concert hall)
• Concert hall acoustics naturally compress (reverb smooths dynamics)
• Assumes unlimited SPL available (unrealistic)
• Prioritizes theoretical purity over practical enjoyment

Result:

• Either too loud (peaks painful) or too quiet (lose detail)
• Constant volume adjustment
• Can't actually enjoy the music

You yourself point out that this is probably already applied upstream... So observe the dynamic range already present in your recordings...
End for me...

 

[Fletcher Munson]

I have just moved to Wiim from volumio as they don't support spotify lossless, so bear that in mind if that effects decisions

I'm not going back

 

[Fletcher Munson]

You yourself point out that this is probably already applied upstream... So observe the dynamic range already present in your recordings...

Only upstream if i'm listening to broadcasts. I use spotify to listen to classical mostly. they do not apply such dynamic range compression

 

[Wiimer]

The streaming platform (UI) is Volumio. I have not tried it myself, so cannot speak to if it’s any good. I would hope it is better than HEOS or BluOS, both which suck, but I don’t expect it to be as good as WiiM or Eversolo UIs.

Nothing stops you from attaching a WiiM to the miniDSP SHD’s digital inputs.

-Ed

I have one more question for kindly you: apart from the SHD, are there any other MiniDSP models that support stereo subwoofer output?

As I'm a WiiM multi-room user, I use WiiM for streaming.

 

[EddNog]

I have one more question for kindly you: apart from the SHD, are there any other MiniDSP models that support stereo subwoofer output?

As I'm a WiiM multi-room user, I use WiiM for streaming.

The miniDSP Flex models all do; that's what I used to use for stereo subs, and they cost less than SHD. DIRAC License is not included, and is an added cost, but even with DIRAC cost added on it still costs a little less than SHD.

-Ed