Lossless on Spotify Premium Available on WiiM

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Spotify Premium has officially started rolling out Lossless Audio, delivering studio-quality sound to music lovers across the globe. And for WiiM users, Spotify’s new high-fidelity streaming is fully compatible with WiiM devices through Spotify Connect. When Lossless Audio on Spotify rolls out to your Premium account, you'll be able to play it on your WiiM devices.

With support for up to 24-bit/44.1 kHz FLAC, Spotify Premium now offers richer, more detailed playback across nearly every track in its catalog. Whether you're rediscovering old favorites or diving into new releases, the listening experience is elevated to a whole new level.

WiiM users can enjoy seamless integration via Spotify Connect, just enable Lossless in your Spotify app settings and let your WiiM device do the rest.

Ready to hear the difference?

Read Spotify’s official announcement and start streaming in Lossless today. Check out this video courtesy of Spotify:
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[muchacho]

 

[slartibartfast]

Yup, we all.saw that yesterday

Spotify Post in thread 'Spotify Lossless is here, it's official!'

Monday at 5:00 AM

• Machiavelli

 

[Machiavelli]

darko has a new video or podcast at the start on yt. first third is dedicated to s...tify. but i am fed up with that hoax. reminds me more than a bit at the fraudulent mqa bs. each on his own.

 

[Burnside]

The bit depth and sample rate can be displayed, but the bit rate is misleading as a fixed 700 kbps was displayed. I think that is why the Team has hidden them all. It is not known if this will be improved in the future..(I guess that's up to Spotify)

That and , as was said before for lossy Spotify, displaying such info doesn’t conform to Spotify’s eSDK UI guidelines so if anyone has an issue they should take it up with Spotify, not WiiM…

Edit: the WiiM team also responded to a ticket saying “The 700 kbps value is obtained from the Spotify eSDK. While we considered calculating the bitrate based on file size and duration, Spotify officially recommends not displaying the bitrate. This is why the WiiM app does not display it.
In the future, it’s possible that bitrate information will not be shown on the screen when playing Spotify.”

 

[Wiimer]

That and , as was said before for lossy Spotify, displaying such info doesn’t conform to Spotify’s eSDK UI guidelines so if anyone has an issue they should take it up with Spotify, not WiiM…

Edit: the WiiM team also responded to a ticket saying “The 700 kbps value is obtained from the Spotify eSDK. While we considered calculating the bitrate based on file size and duration, Spotify officially recommends not displaying the bitrate. This is why the WiiM app does not display it.
In the future, it’s possible that bitrate information will not be shown on the screen when playing Spotify.”

I agree,
but is the display of bit depth and sample rate also not recommended?

With lossless support, it makes sense to indicate whether it is 16-bit or 24-bit.
I feel that it was not necessary to remove all the information in order to hide the bit rate.

 

[Burnside]

Good points, I’d agree..

 

[Zap Rekowski]

When I see this monkey business with Spotify Lossless, it makes my blood boil... Not only does Spotify not allow it to be used with other apps (such as UAPP or Bubble) to bypass the audio restrictions of the operating system (including Windows, keyword WASAPI), they don't even allow the real bitrate to be displayed?

On top of all the other morally reprehensible crap, users are also willing to pay more in comparison (e.g. in comparison with Tidal) ? Sorry, I don't get it. People seem to want to be taken for a ride...

 

[Kblade97]

I agree,
but is the display of bit depth and sample rate also not recommended?

With lossless support, it makes sense to indicate whether it is 16-bit or 24-bit.
I feel that it was not necessary to remove all the information in order to hide the bit rate.

Are we even really getting 24 bits? I wouldn’t think so. Are our dacs are truly capable of 24 bit? and if they are, can you tell 24 bit from 16? I couldn’t

 

[Kblade97]

I think this means Spotify hasn't rolled out the feature to you yet - me either. I believe we're supposed to get a notification in the app when it's available to us. Once you have it, the media quality will show the lossless option like below.

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When I got it there was no message. I just kept checking

 

[Wiimer]

Are we even really getting 24 bits? I wouldn’t think so. Are our dacs are truly capable of 24 bit? and if they are, can you tell 24 bit from 16? I couldn’t

Sorry, I don't know what that means.

WiiM supports 24bit/192kHz playback. I don't know if your DAC supports 24bit.
(There are DACs that can only play 16bit, but these are only very old models.)

 

[Wiimer]

When I see this monkey business with Spotify Lossless, it makes my blood boil... Not only does Spotify not allow it to be used with other apps (such as UAPP or Bubble) to bypass the audio restrictions of the operating system (including Windows, keyword WASAPI), they don't even allow the real bitrate to be displayed?

On top of all the other morally reprehensible crap, users are also willing to pay more in comparison (e.g. in comparison with Tidal) ? Sorry, I don't get it. People seem to want to be taken for a ride...

There is no Tidal in my country. And Qobuz charges 150% more than Spotify...

And while I'm at it, I'd like to ask why you, @Machiavelli and a few other members are trying to take the fun out of it for me?

Honestly I think your protests here are going too far.

 

[Mr Ee]

Sorry, I don't know what that means.

WiiM supports 24bit/192kHz playback. I don't know if your DAC supports 24bit.
(There are DACs that can only play 16bit, but these are only very old models.)

I take it to mean that, with current technology, 21 bits is about as far as any most dacs can go before the signal is lost in the inherent noise of the device itself.

As for displaying the bit rate (general comment, not directed at you, Wiimer), I feel it's really rather academic if it's lossless as all it really tells you is the compression level.
I do get why people like seeing such info on their display (me included), but in reality it's pretty pointless!

 

[Wiimer]

I take it to mean that, with current technology, 21 bits is about as far as any dac can go before the signal is lost in the inherent noise of the device itself.

Understood. Thanks for explaining it to me

As for displaying the bit rate (general comment, not directed at you, Wimmer), I feel it's really rather academic if it's lossless as all it really tells you is the compression level.
I do get why people like seeing such info on their display (me included), but in reality it's pretty pointless!

As you know, I use Playing Screen, which doesn't show the sample rate, so either is no problem

 

[RemcoB78]

Is it better than TIDAL? Or is TIDAL for Best quality the right choice

 

[Mr Ee]

Is it better than TIDAL? Or is TIDAL for Best quality the right choice

Better is perhaps subjective...
It can certainly be argued that Spotify will necessarily resample anything provided to them in more than 44.1khz, but whether that in itself is a reason to consider it worse, or worse enough to be material, is debatable.
Find the service that provides the content / UI / experience you prefer and enjoy the music itself.

(I have both Tidal and Spotify; only got Spotify lossless yesterday.)

 

[Burnside]

Better is perhaps subjective...
It can certainly be argued that Spotify will necessarily resample anything provided to them in more than 44.1khz, but whether that in itself is a reason to consider it worse, or worse enough to be material, is debatable.

What’s surprising are the people who are suspecting Spotify of upsampling their lossy 320kbps catalogue and presenting it as lossless, without passing similar comments about other services 90% of whose catalogues are similar CD quality. Sour grapes I think…

Find the service that provides the content / UI / experience you prefer and enjoy the music itself.

… which is often forgotten when some get on their moral or audiophile high horse.

 

[Machiavelli]

better a high horse than a pony

 

[Mr Ee]

better a high horse than a pony

Because a pony is a lossy-compressed horse?

 

[Machiavelli]

Because a pony a lossy-compressed horse?

because size always matters

 

[Zap Rekowski]

There is no Tidal in my country. And Qobuz charges 150% more than Spotify...

And while I'm at it, I'd like to ask why you, @Machiavelli and a few other members are trying to take the fun out of it for me?

Honestly I think your protests here are going too far.

...the world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. In principle, it should be permissible—especially where people come together—to take a critical look at things. I think it's just naive to believe that, given the current direction of the company, we are dealing with a reputable streaming service, and it annoys me that the services that still behave reasonably fairly will most likely lose out in the long run. Of course, I could continue to close my eyes and be “happy,” but I'm not one of those people who close their eyes to reality. I currently see how Spotify treats artists among my circle of friends. Spotify is actively suppressing creativity and establishing art as purely a money-making business. Many young people will no longer be able to experience what I was able to experience in my youth. Soon, music will only come from a test tube. All this equality and superficiality is already getting on my nerves. If you think my comments are going too far, just ignore them and continue to see the world as it is not.