Using PEQ

Vignus

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Hi All,

I know this might sound like a stupid question, but I can't get my head around it.

I'm experimenting (and learning) PEQ but I don't understand:

  • what do the several options in each band drop down (LS, PK, HS) mean and how am I supposed to use them?
  • Do I need to select and adjust each one of them for each band?

I wish there was a guide for this but, if there is one, I can't find it anywhere in the Wiim forum.

Can anybody help me?

Thanks
 
Here is a basic explanation.

If you are having difficulty understanding PEQ, you may want to try room correction first.

Comprehensive Guide to RC
 
Here is a basic explanation.

If you are having difficulty understanding PEQ, you may want to try room correction first.

Comprehensive Guide to RC
Thank you, Wiimer
 
Thank you, Wiimer
The difference between LS, PK, and HS is illustrated in the figure below.

LS,
Allows you to adjust gain (volume) below a specified frequency.
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PK,
Allows you to adjust gain within a Q value range centered on a specified frequency.
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HS,
Allows you to adjust the gain (volume) above the specified frequency.
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Note that changes in the Q values of LS, HS, are not reflected in the graph.
 
Hi All,

I know this might sound like a stupid question, but I can't get my head around it.

I'm experimenting (and learning) PEQ but I don't understand:

  • what do the several options in each band drop down (LS, PK, HS) mean and how am I supposed to use them?
  • Do I need to select and adjust each one of them for each band?

I wish there was a guide for this but, if there is one, I can't find it anywhere in the Wiim forum.

Can anybody help me?

Thanks
If you want to use PEQ without too much trouble, you can rely on Automatic Room Correction using the default parameters.
It works really well and does not complicate your life. ;) 😊
 
If you want to use PEQ without too much trouble, you can rely on Automatic Room Correction using the default parameters.
It works really well and does not complicate your life. ;) 😊
Thanks but I tried that way as the first thing, but have never really been satisfied with the results (i.e.: seems like RC is trying to compensate dips, which never really works). Could be that my Android phone (Honor) must have a pretty poor mic.
 
you can rely on Automatic Room Correction using the default parameters.
It works really well and does not complicate your life. ;) 😊
You can't say that in general.
In my room, the room correction produces strange results. You really have to be careful if the RC wants to add a few dB to certain areas.
So I wouldn't rely on it blindly. You have to check what the RC is doing.
 
as we cannot refer to the wiim home graphs...
we must essentially use-think the peq mode by integrating values defined by other means...
(I would almost be tempted to say that in this the eq mode is easier to define "roughly by ear" with wiim home...the peq associating with approaches via measures)
 
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Generally, there can be different reasons for dips in the transfer function. Some can be corrected for (mostly broader dips). Others (cause by acoustic cancellation at the listening position, usually very narrow) must not be corrected for. Separate controls for positive and negative gain would be welcome addition.

The graphs shown in the WiiM Home app are generally fine, but only for peak (PK) filters. High shelf (HS) and low shelf (LS) filters don't reflect the Q value. Everyone's invited to vote up my feature request:


Let's not forget that the goal of this thread is not to discuss the dos and don't of WiiM room correction, in the first place. @Vignus had asked for help understanding the PEQ filter section. It was in this context that @Wiimer had recommended dealing with RC first. At leas RC will create a set of PEQ filters (only PK peak filters), so you can look at the results and see how the values for frequency, gain and Q have been set.

From there on you can modify either of theses settings (best to do it one change at a time)mans just learn how the curve changes and what difference in sound it makes.

Sounds like a good idea to me if someone doesn't want to dive deep into theory.
 
(in rc: being able to define the gains on the rise and on the fall in a differentiated manner would be welcome... . More precision at the level of the q factor or would allow you to adjust q differentiated between ls/hs and pk)
 
Generally, there can be different reasons for dips in the transfer function. Some can be corrected for (mostly broader dips). Others (cause by acoustic cancellation at the listening position, usually very narrow) must not be corrected for. Separate controls for positive and negative gain would be welcome addition.

The graphs shown in the WiiM Home app are generally fine, but only for peak (PK) filters. High shelf (HS) and low shelf (LS) filters don't reflect the Q value. Everyone's invited to vote up my feature request:


Let's not forget that the goal of this thread is not to discuss the dos and don't of WiiM room correction, in the first place. @Vignus had asked for help understanding the PEQ filter section. It was in this context that @Wiimer had recommended dealing with RC first. At leas RC will create a set of PEQ filters (only PK peak filters), so you can look at the results and see how the values for frequency, gain and Q have been set.

From there on you can modify either of theses settings (best to do it one change at a time)mans just learn how the curve changes and what difference in sound it makes.

Sounds like a good idea to me if someone doesn't want to dive deep into theory.
understanding by ear the action of a peq mode, between gain and q factor, pk or ls or hs... is let's say very difficult.... very,even if varying a single parameter , and in particular on music... at a pinch on slow manual sweeps can be approached, but it's difficult "sportif".....
good luck
;-)
 
Thanks but I tried that way as the first thing, but have never really been satisfied with the results (i.e.: seems like RC is trying to compensate dips, which never really works). Could be that my Android phone (Honor) must have a pretty poor mic.
I’m using an IPAD with his mic and for me it works fine. I only use PK filters
 
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understanding by ear the action of a peq mode, between gain and q factor, pk or ls or hs... is let's say very difficult.... very,even if varying a single parameter , and in particular on music... at a pinch on slow manual sweeps can be approached, but it's difficult "sportif".....
good luck
;-)
If you cannot hear any difference it's not worth bothering with PEQ. :)

I'm just talking about the difference, not judging what is better and what is worse.
 
I didn't say that we don't hear anything...that I don't hear anything...just that in this case the approach is excessively clumsy in my opinion...
;-)
 
off topic on my part..:rolleyes:
(just off topic "wiim graphs make no sense" if ls/hs....derivative)
 
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If you start with the results of RC and modify frequency, gain and Q from there, no LS or HS filters will be used, just peak filters. :)

Learning about shelving filters needs other resources, true.
 
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