What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?

[Smartplug]

A USB in on the next Pro Plus would get me to upgrade my Pro and be a good answer to the new Bluesound Node Nano. I'd like the ability to hang a SSD drive off it.

The usb on any wiim for the purpose of external drive and dacs. You can put usb hub and can connect multiple dac and drive. Regular amp has it so you may want to check release note.

 

[harkpabst]

They should improve their internal DAC's to at least this level.

You mean the WiiM Ultra and WiiM Amp Pro should be downgraded from the ES9038Q2M they are currently using to the older ES9028Q2M (as found in the DC10) and they should degrade measured performance to the level of the DC10?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Smartplug]

They should improve their internal DAC's to at least this level.

Many of us here connect wiim ultra via external dac. What so great about ultra was very flexible that you can connect all of its digital out to external dac. One of affordable dac out there was topping e50. It uses ess 9068 and high performance op amp, which was step up from ultra. I have been listening to John Lennon imagine for more than 3 decades and was everyday being repeated atlist 30 times daily. Using high quality dac, it was noticeable the decay linger bit longer than ultra built in.

 

[harkpabst]

Using high quality dac, it was noticeable the decay linger bit longer than ultra built in.

Certainly not the DC10, right?

 

[Smartplug]

Certainly not the DC10, right?

No, i have 6 dacs in total with 3 ess and 2 akm and 1 multibit. The entry ess sound ok for casual listening. The second one which on par with ultra dac clear detailed sound. The third one which doubled the price same as ultra but cohesive sound with decay linger bit longer. I know you may say im having delusion describing the differences. Like most listeners where they listen to countless songs so they are not really familiar what have changed. You can certainly tell if the song you been listening for many decades and many times over everyday. Your miles may vary.

 

[Poultrygeist]

You mean the WiiM Ultra and WiiM Amp Pro should be downgraded from the ES9038Q2M they are currently using to the older ES9028Q2M (as found in the DC10) and they should degrade measured performance to the level of the DC10?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

I have a Pro+ and the DC10 is an upgrade to it's DAC. Implementation is more important than chip set.

NEOHIPO DC10 Stereo DAC Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the NEOHIPO DC10 budget stereo DAC. It was sent to me by the company and is on sale for US $48. Suggested retail price is $80. The two switches feel solid and frankly all that is needed in a simple DAC. Back panel follows the same rule: Let's...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[edo gawa]

The usb on any wiim for the purpose of external drive and dacs. You can put usb hub and can connect multiple dac and drive. Regular amp has it so you may want to check release note.

I don't have the amp. I have the Pro (streamer). So a USB hub is useless. But my real point was to remain competitive with Bluesound a rethink on the ProPlus streamer might be in order.

 

[Smartplug]

I have a Pro+ and the DC10 is an upgrade to it's DAC. Implementation is more important than chip set.

NEOHIPO DC10 Stereo DAC Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the NEOHIPO DC10 budget stereo DAC. It was sent to me by the company and is on sale for US $48. Suggested retail price is $80. The two switches feel solid and frankly all that is needed in a simple DAC. Back panel follows the same rule: Let's...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Yes it does but don’t expect that will satisfy the most discriminating listener. They are meant for casual listening passing time or doing some chores.

 

[harkpabst]

I have a Pro+ and the DC10 is an upgrade to it's DAC. Implementation is more important than chip set.

NEOHIPO DC10 Stereo DAC Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the NEOHIPO DC10 budget stereo DAC. It was sent to me by the company and is on sale for US $48. Suggested retail price is $80. The two switches feel solid and frankly all that is needed in a simple DAC. Back panel follows the same rule: Let's...

www.audiosciencereview.com

"Upgrade" with respect to what? You like it better?

Certainly not with respect to objective measurements.

 

[Poultrygeist]

"Upgrade" with respect to what? You like it better?

Certainly not with respect to objective measurements.

I take it you haven't tried an external DAC with the WiiM streamers?

 

[harkpabst]

I take it you haven't tried an external DAC with the WiiM streamers?

I take it you won't answer my questions.

That's OK with me. Or let's say it would be OK with me if your statement was that you like the sound with an external DC10 better than the output from the WiiM Pro Plus. Since you generalize that the DAC in the WiiM Pro Plus should be "upgraded" to a lower spec model with "better implementation" but worse measured performance it's not really OK.

But I accept things as they are.

 

[paranoid]

What products would you like to see based on what you've experienced so far?

Mini pro with coax and usb out. Maybe without the dac

 

[Smartplug]

Mini pro with coax and usb out. Maybe without the dac

I don’t think you will just see just streamer without dac. There far too many casual listeners and listener like you are minority. If you don’t like the dac you can always connect its digital out and that will make it a transport. Wiim is the best software in my opinion providing fixes and adding features free of charge. Their product are also affordable that majority can afford. I’m definitely wiim customer for life.

 

[Poultrygeist]

Like others I would like for WiiM to offer a pure streamer. Without the extra cost of an internal DAC it should be cheaper. It would make sense as so many of us use an outboard DAC anyway. I have a Pro+ and also stream with a Node 2i. In both cases a stand alone DAC like this Topping DX3 pro makes a audible improvement. With a good pair of headphones the improvement is even more pronounced.

 

[canard]

Like others I would like for WiiM to offer a pure streamer. Without the extra cost of an internal DAC it should be cheaper. It would make sense as so many of us use an outboard DAC anyway. I have a Pro+ and also stream with a Node 2i. In both cases a stand alone DAC like this Topping DX3 pro makes a audible improvement. With a good pair of headphones the improvement is even more pronounced.

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people who can afford to put an external dac in it can afford to keep an internal dac which will only cost a few dozen dollars, right? .. if for economic aspects, "budget", they would use the internal one... and a much larger market for wiim..
you want so much harm to wiim to embark them on the more niche market of audiophiles, when they are just building a beginning of legitimacy in audio, and are on the very general public "budget" market....?


ask eversolo to make you a streamer without a dac..;-)


for wiim
the irony is that if only for a niche market of audiophile with dac externe "hdg"...would be...more expensive without dac

hihi

another irony..is that it seems to me that the people who express this idea already have a wiim streamer and a dac.. or just a wiim streamer...and therefore no reason to buy one "without dac"...

 

[mlsstl]

Like others I would like for WiiM to offer a pure streamer. Without the extra cost of an internal DAC it should be cheaper. It would make sense as so many of us use an outboard DAC anyway. I have a Pro+ and also stream with a Node 2i. In both cases a stand alone DAC like this Topping DX3 pro makes a audible improvement. With a good pair of headphones the improvement is even more pronounced.

One problem with a DAC-less Ultra streamer is that you lose the separate subwoofer output, which has been a valuable feature for many users.

And, as noted before, there is also the question of just how many streamer-only models would be sold. WiiM products, at their relatively low price points, depend on high volume production runs. WiiM is going to be ignored by many of the audiophile snobs looking for high end gear, so I question how many streamer-only units they'd sell.

But, those product decisions are made by WiiM management. It'll be interesting to see what shows up down the road. My guess is that their next product might be an Ultra combined with a power amp -- the modern equivalent of a receiver. I'd think a lot of people with passive speakers are looking for a one-box solution.

 

[canard]

a power amplifier like ampro, in 48v, more powerful, to physically marry to the ultra?

 

[adias]

people who can afford to put an external dac in it can afford to keep an internal dac which will only cost a few dozen dollars, right? .. if for economic aspects, "budget", they would use the internal one... and a much larger market for wiim..

It’s not a question of affordability, actually the opposite. I would pay more for a top notch streamer transport without an internal DAC, analog stages, or display - purely a streamer transport. Very well shielded, low noise power supply, precision clocks.

 

[Poultrygeist]

One problem with a DAC-less Ultra streamer is that you lose the separate subwoofer output, which has been a valuable feature for many users.

And, as noted before, there is also the question of just how many streamer-only models would be sold. WiiM products, at their relatively low price points, depend on high volume production runs. WiiM is going to be ignored by many of the audiophile snobs looking for high end gear, so I question how many streamer-only units they'd sell.

But, those product decisions are made by WiiM management. It'll be interesting to see what shows up down the road. My guess is that their next product might be an Ultra combined with a power amp -- the modern equivalent of a receiver. I'd think a lot of people with passive speakers are looking for a one-box solution.

These days subwoofer outputs are very common on inexpensive class D amps. If a DAC has a volume control with both XLR and RCA outputs you can use one of those to feed the signal to a sub. Y-cabling from a DAC/Pre with a single pair of outputs can accomplish the same thing with no degradation of the signal.

 

[slartibartfast]

These days subwoofer outputs are very common on inexpensive class D amps. If a DAC has a volume control with both XLR and RCA outputs you can use one of those to feed the signal to a sub. Y-cabling from a DAC/Pre with a single pair of outputs can accomplish the same thing with no degradation of the signal.

You would lose the bass management though.