Beta Test: WiiM Persistent Group

[Lochie]

Hi, I have read this thread with interest. I have also read another thread where a poster has said:

"Sorry, you can create multiple groups as long as the same device does not overlap between two groups. Thus it is possible to create the main floor and the basement at the same time, but currently it would be difficult to play same music all groups at the same time.

As you and @harkpabst mentioned, the persistent group feature currently under development allows you to create and control multiple groups at the same time.".

Will this Beta update permit a single Wiim to be included (ie overlap) in two separate persistent groups. I realise you would not be able to play to each group simultaneously if a wiim was in both groups but what I am wanting to know is whether you could have, for example, a group of 3 wiims upstairs and grouped as "upstairs" and then a group of another 3 wiims grouped as "downstairs" and then a further group called "all wiims" which comprises the 6 wiims. So wiim devices could be members of multiple groups.

Also, is it possible for these groups to be visible in music apps outside of the Wiim App (I suspect not).

Thanks in advance.

 

[Wiimer]

Will this Beta update permit a single Wiim to be included (ie overlap) in two separate persistent groups.

Yes, it is possible.

But it did not work well with the early beta firmware I tested. Maybe it will work with the newer ones.

Also, is it possible for these groups to be visible in music apps outside of the Wiim App (I suspect not).

Thanks in advance.

It can be played from the streaming app by Cast. However, GoogleCast (Chromecast) cannot play in the WiiM group. For example, it can be played on AlexaCast, Spotify Connect or Tidal Connect.

 

[Lochie]

Yes, it is possible.

But it did not work well with the early beta firmware I tested. Maybe it will work with the newer ones.



It can be played from the streaming app by Cast. However, GoogleCast (Chromecast) cannot play in the WiiM group. For example, it can be played on AlexaCast, Spotify Connect or Tidal Connect.

Thanks for the prompt reply. If I didn’t want visitors accessing my wifi, could they stream to a group then and if not, what is the simplest way the stream to a wiim?

 

[Mr Ee]

No access to your wifi...
Bluetooth?

 

[Burnside]

Hi, I have read this thread with interest. I have also read another thread where a poster has said:

"Sorry, you can create multiple groups as long as the same device does not overlap between two groups. Thus it is possible to create the main floor and the basement at the same time, but currently it would be difficult to play same music all groups at the same time.

As you and @harkpabst mentioned, the persistent group feature currently under development allows you to create and control multiple groups at the same time.".

Before persistent groups, that almost reads as self evident - if you had grouped A,B and C, you couldn’t also have a group with C and D at the same time.

Will this Beta update permit a single Wiim to be included (ie overlap) in two separate persistent groups. I realise you would not be able to play to each group simultaneously if a wiim was in both groups but what I am wanting to know is whether you could have, for example, a group of 3 wiims upstairs and grouped as "upstairs" and then a group of another 3 wiims grouped as "downstairs" and then a further group called "all wiims" which comprises the 6 wiims. So wiim devices could be members of multiple groups.

Yeah, much the same as you can currently do with Alexa multi room music (MRM) groups, or Chromecast groups where you can define your devices to be in as many groups as you wish.

Also, is it possible for these groups to be visible in music apps outside of the Wiim App (I suspect not).

Multi device groups tend to be proprietary and not visible to other technologies - in general, a Linkplay group created in the WiiM app won’t be visible to other apps, nor can the WiiM app see Alexa MRM nor Chromecast groups. However, Spotify can play to a Linkplay group by connecting to the main member of the group.

I’m sure @Wiimer will keep me right if any of the above is inaccurate

 

[Smartplug]

Before persistent groups, that almost reads as self evident - if you had grouped A,B and C, you couldn’t also have a group with C and D at the same time.


Yeah, much the same as you can currently do with Alexa multi room music (MRM) groups, or Chromecast groups where you can define your devices to be in as many groups as you wish.



Multi device groups tend to be proprietary and not visible to other technologies - in general, a Linkplay group created in the WiiM app won’t be visible to other apps, nor can the WiiM app see Alexa MRM nor Chromecast groups. However, Spotify can play to a Linkplay group by connecting to the main member of the group.

I’m sure @Wiimer will keep me right if any of the above is inaccurate

@Wiimer is wiim police correcting if information is wrong.

 

[Burnside]

@Wiimer is wiim police correcting if information is wrong.

Well, it was the first response after I woke up and I have a track record of perhaps not being as accurate as I try to be when I’m still half-asleep

 

[Smartplug]

Well, it was the first response after I woke up and I have a track record of perhaps not being as accurate as I try to be when I’m still half-asleep

Drink coffee and you will be up in a flash. Don’t drink decaf it won’t do you any good. I haven’t seen onlyoneme commenting in long while.

 

[Wiimer]

Before persistent groups, that almost reads as self evident - if you had grouped A,B and C, you couldn’t also have a group with C and D at the same time.

Oddly enough, would you and I disagree?
Or am I reading you wrong?

 

[Burnside]

No, we’re most often on the same page

 

[Wiimer]

No, we’re most often on the same page

I understand.
I'm glad we didn't have a heated argument in the morning.

 

[Lochie]

Yeah, much the same as you can currently do with Alexa multi room music (MRM) groups, or Chromecast groups where you can define your devices to be in as many groups as you wish.8

Thanks Burnside. Do you know if this feature currently available in the beta version or is it expected in a later update?

 

[Burnside]

Thanks Burnside. Do you know if this feature currently available in the beta version or is it expected in a later update?

It's pretty close to a public app and firmware release - see https://forum.wiimhome.com/threads/wiim-home-app-v3-0-0-update-nov-8-2024.5376/

I've got the beta release for the app and a couple of devices, but it'll be good to see it out in the wild as it were...

 

[jeffme]

Hi - just tried to install on Android on my Google Pixel using the link above and it errors with this message:
"WiiM Home
App not installed as package appears to be invalid"

Any suggestions?

 

[Burnside]

Hi - just tried to install on Android on my Google Pixel using the link above and it errors with this message:
"WiiM Home
App not installed as package appears to be invalid"

Any suggestions?

Did you delete the existing app first?

 

[jeffme]

Did you delete the existing app first?

ah.... no - will try that, but just realized the updated firmware should be out in a week.

 

[Lochie]

Can anyone confirm if the new update to the app has addressed the query I raised in an earlier post (extracted below for ease of reference):
Will this Beta update permit a single Wiim to be included (ie overlap) in two separate persistent groups. I realise you would not be able to play to each group simultaneously if a wiim was in both groups but what I am wanting to know is whether you could have, for example, a group of 3 wiims upstairs and grouped as "upstairs" and then a group of another 3 wiims grouped as "downstairs" and then a further group called "all wiims" which comprises the 6 wiims. So wiim devices could be members of multiple groups.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Mr Ee]

Can anyone confirm if the new update to the app has addressed the query I raised in an earlier post (extracted below for ease of reference):
Will this Beta update permit a single Wiim to be included (ie overlap) in two separate persistent groups. I realise you would not be able to play to each group simultaneously if a wiim was in both groups but what I am wanting to know is whether you could have, for example, a group of 3 wiims upstairs and grouped as "upstairs" and then a group of another 3 wiims grouped as "downstairs" and then a further group called "all wiims" which comprises the 6 wiims. So wiim devices could be members of multiple groups.
Thanks in advance.

Already been confirmed in post #45

 

[Lochie]

Already been confirmed in post #45

Thanks but was wondering if it is included in the latest app firmware release as the link to the app update page still refers to that as a future firmware update. The link is at post 53 and the update page provides as follows:
3. Persistent Group Support: Quick multi-room audio setup and synchronization for seamless group playback (available in the next firmware update).

 

[Burnside]

Thanks but was wondering if it is included in the latest app firmware release as the link to the app update page still refers to that as a future firmware update. The link is at post 53 and the update page provides as follows:
3. Persistent Group Support: Quick multi-room audio setup and synchronization for seamless group playback (available in the next firmware update).

The app release and firmware release are separate entities - while we have the latest app release, we are still awaiting the public firmware release that completes the package and will include the persistent group feature.

Edit: the firmware release announcement will no doubt include the feature list of changes.