Hi, RoomFit perfection, to my 🦻🏼

[Jay123]

RoomFit, I like. I have: Genelec 8030A, SVS-SB-2000, Wiim Pro, Aune dac.

Amazing sound, even my room isn't symmetrical Roomfit can make it sound good. Genelec speakers is set to cut down under 85hz, and I think I found a good delay setting on Wiim pro , 6 millisecond + 2 clicks more deley on Lg TV when I watch YouTube or TV.

What you think guys (Do I need Wi8m Pro+ to get better bass)

 

[jdavis417]

Welcome to the group!
You know, your original signal looks like my results and I still think that my system sounds great and that room fit made a positive difference.
I doubt that you would see any improvement from an upgrade to the Pro Plus version and I think the first opportunity to introduce your subwoofer through a product is the Wiim ultra!
It's possible that your aune Dac would even be preferred after the upgrade and there will be people along shortly who might have experience with that product. That being said, when I have had the opportunity to upgrade DACs previously, the bass is definitely one of the things I noticed an improvement in.
Happy listening!

 

[Jay123]

Thanks for your comment. I had already planned on buying a new DAC. I've always had "only" a Burr brown DAC, but now with my next DAC I want to join the "VELVET SOUND" club.

I compared that to the Wiim pro+, What is inside the AKM 4493seq chip, I want better.
I don't think much will go wrong if I get the Topping E50 II dac, which is an XLR output dac, which I need for my Genelec speakers, and the chip in it is AK4497s.

My old Aune dac is on the old PCM1793 chip by the way. If anyone has heard of that chip, good luck. May the force be with you. (SNR 102).

Ok, how much does it cost to join "VELVET SOUND™". It's only 200.

And thank you Wiim and forum.

 

[Shotgun Rico]

Getting a new DAC won’t solve your bass “problem”. With your current setup and the included dsp functionality you should be able to get the sound you want. But by all means if you want the “Velvet” sound throw your money at an already solved problem.

 

[Jay123]

"Velvet sound™" seems to be a plus because I want/need a DAC with an XLR connector. The Wiim pro DAC chip sounds pretty crappy by the way

 

[Shotgun Rico]

If you need Xlr jacks then by all means get it but I doubt you could tell a difference between dacs in a properly executed double blind test.

 

[Jay123]

With all due respect, that's how the Wiim pro sounds: !

Yes, it's a shit show. Have you listened? Well, how do you know?

 

[jdavis417]

With all due respect, that's how the Wiim pro sounds: !

Yes, it's a shit show. Have you listened? Well, how do you know?

I just added a Wiim Pro and a Mini but I never bothered to listen to the built-in DAC on either one. I only have ess DACs but I would like to hear the velvet sound too! Let us know what you think about whichever one you choose.

 

[canard]

""Ok, how much does it cost to join "VELVET SOUND™". It's only 200. """

In this case, I think there's a bit of marketing and language abuse going on...because in any case, here, there's nothing so velvety with this dac akm (in this " plus") about it in my opinion...

(And for the treatment of bass.. Pro and Plus are comparable...)

 

[MCG555]

I have an older but at that time top Metrum NOS R-2R Ladder DAC in 2 cases (one only for the current supply) and I am a fan of it. However, compared to the WiiM Pro+ there is not a big difference. In fact, at the moment I do not use the Metrum DAC as the differences are to minimal! See my signature…

 

[Jay123]

Hi again, I sometimes also use artificial intelligence to compare things, and I agree with what the artificial intelligence is trying to say when comparing the Wiim Pro+ and the Aune Dac chip, because I have listened to both DACs myself. (Not really, but I've heard the Wiim Pro Dac chip not the pro+ Dac chip). But I'm still comparing Pro+

So AI says this:

Comparing the Burr-Brown (TI) PCM1793 and the AKM (Asahi Kasei) AK4493SEQ is a classic study in "Old School vs. New School" DAC architecture. While the chip is only one part of a device's sound, these two have very distinct signatures rooted in their design eras.

Feature PCM1793 (Burr-Brown) AK4493SEQ (AKM)
Architecture Advanced Segment (Hybrid) Velvet Sound (Delta-Sigma)
Release Era Mid-2000s Early 2020s
Max Resolution 24-bit / 192kHz 32-bit / 768kHz (DSD512)
Sound Profile Warm, Organic, "Analog" Transparent, Spacious, Detailed

The Sound Profiles​

PCM1793: The "Vinyl-Like" Classic​

The PCM1793 uses a hybrid architecture that combines R-2R (ladder) for the upper bits and Delta-Sigma for the lower bits. This gives it a sound often described as musical rather than clinical.

• Midrange: Lush and forward. Vocals sound thick and "present."
• Highs: Softened or "rolled off." You won't get much fatigue here, but you might lose some sparkle in the cymbals.
• Low End: Punchy and authoritative, though perhaps less "tight" than modern chips.
• Vibe: It feels cohesive and "thick." It’s great for smoothing out harsh digital recordings.

AK4493SEQ: The "Velvet Sound" Modernist
The "SEQ" is the modern, high-efficiency version of the legendary 4493. It belongs to AKM’s Velvet Sound architecture, which focuses on low-distortion and "airy" textures.
Transparency: Much higher than the PCM1793. You will hear more "black space" between instruments.
Highs: Extended and airy. It captures the micro-details and room acoustics that the PCM1793 might smudge over.
Soundstage: Generally wider and deeper. Positioning of instruments is more precise.
Vibe: Fast, clean, and neutral. It doesn't "add" warmth; it tries to stay out of the way of the music.

Which one should you choose?
Go with the PCM1793 if:
You find modern digital audio too "sharp" or "thin."
You listen to a lot of jazz, acoustic, or older rock.
You prefer a relaxed, non-fatiguing listening session that lasts for hours.
Go with the AK4493SEQ if:
You want to hear every detail in high-resolution FLAC or DSD files.
You value a large soundstage and precise imaging.
You listen to modern production, electronic music, or orchestral pieces where clarity is king.
A Note on Implementation: The "sound" of a DAC is heavily influenced by the Low Pass Filter (LPF) and the power supply surrounding the chip. A poorly implemented AK4493 can sound harsh, while a masterfully implemented PCM1793 can sound surprisingly detailed.

I would like to add that I was not buying the same chip AK4493(Wiim pro+ model), but the "better" AK4497s, which can be found in the Topping E50 2 model. and that model has XLR connectors and a remote control, everything, and the price is only 200.

 

[MCG555]

So go for it!
And let us know afterwards…

 

[Jay123]

Yeah, I'm still trying to enjoy that Aune Sound, as I haven't enjoyed it for about 20 years.

I have owned other DACs as well, besides the Aune. But the Aune has always stayed, because honestly, it sounds like a vinyl-like DAC chip. Very calm and never tired of listening. Good bass.

I compared it to the Wiim Pro Dac, which tries to play from the front, and fails miserably. The Aune plays from the back and has a calm sound. The Wiim Pro Dac chip tries too hard to be better than it is.

My speakers sound clinical anyway, so now I should pimp them some clinical DAC. No thanks, I want something soft and velvety Peaceful and relaxing (zen) and

It can be found all the way from France, you have to order it from there. I also thought JNOG2 [J2S], but 429.98. Too valuable.

Fosi Audio ZH3 DAC. But I don't need a headphone amplifier because I already have several. Just AKM4493SEQ chip

The AK4497S – the “S” stands for “superior” 'So it's a Nazi dac'
TOPPING E50 II Hi-Res Audio DAC
Sale price€199,00
8 reviews
【Smartphone App Control】
【Premium AK4497S DAC Performance】
【Flagship High-Resolution USB Audio】
【Advanced 10-Band PEQ Tuning】
【Dual-Format Optical & Smart Detection】
【Ultra-Low Jitter Digital Architecture】
【Hi-Res Wireless Bluetooth Audio】
【DAC & Preamp Modes with Flexible Outputs】

It wasn't a difficult choice. Yeah, we'll be back when that superior arrives. Hail

 

[jdavis417]

...

My speakers sound clinical anyway, so now I should pimp them some clinical DAC. No thanks, I want something soft and velvety Peaceful and relaxing (zen) and
...

Yes! That peaceful, easy feeling is one of the great benefits. Everyone wants more of that!

 

[bever70]

Hi again, I sometimes also use artificial intelligence to compare things, and I agree with what the artificial intelligence is trying to say when comparing the Wiim Pro+ and the Aune Dac chip, because I have listened to both DACs myself. (Not really, but I've heard the Wiim Pro Dac chip not the pro+ Dac chip). But I'm still comparing Pro+

So AI says this:

Comparing the Burr-Brown (TI) PCM1793 and the AKM (Asahi Kasei) AK4493SEQ is a classic study in "Old School vs. New School" DAC architecture. While the chip is only one part of a device's sound, these two have very distinct signatures rooted in their design eras.

Feature PCM1793 (Burr-Brown) AK4493SEQ (AKM)
Architecture Advanced Segment (Hybrid) Velvet Sound (Delta-Sigma)
Release Era Mid-2000s Early 2020s
Max Resolution 24-bit / 192kHz 32-bit / 768kHz (DSD512)
Sound Profile Warm, Organic, "Analog" Transparent, Spacious, Detailed

The Sound Profiles​

PCM1793: The "Vinyl-Like" Classic​

The PCM1793 uses a hybrid architecture that combines R-2R (ladder) for the upper bits and Delta-Sigma for the lower bits. This gives it a sound often described as musical rather than clinical.

• Midrange: Lush and forward. Vocals sound thick and "present."
• Highs: Softened or "rolled off." You won't get much fatigue here, but you might lose some sparkle in the cymbals.
• Low End: Punchy and authoritative, though perhaps less "tight" than modern chips.
• Vibe: It feels cohesive and "thick." It’s great for smoothing out harsh digital recordings.

AK4493SEQ: The "Velvet Sound" Modernist
The "SEQ" is the modern, high-efficiency version of the legendary 4493. It belongs to AKM’s Velvet Sound architecture, which focuses on low-distortion and "airy" textures.
Transparency: Much higher than the PCM1793. You will hear more "black space" between instruments.
Highs: Extended and airy. It captures the micro-details and room acoustics that the PCM1793 might smudge over.
Soundstage: Generally wider and deeper. Positioning of instruments is more precise.
Vibe: Fast, clean, and neutral. It doesn't "add" warmth; it tries to stay out of the way of the music.

Which one should you choose?
Go with the PCM1793 if:
You find modern digital audio too "sharp" or "thin."
You listen to a lot of jazz, acoustic, or older rock.
You prefer a relaxed, non-fatiguing listening session that lasts for hours.
Go with the AK4493SEQ if:
You want to hear every detail in high-resolution FLAC or DSD files.
You value a large soundstage and precise imaging.
You listen to modern production, electronic music, or orchestral pieces where clarity is king.
A Note on Implementation: The "sound" of a DAC is heavily influenced by the Low Pass Filter (LPF) and the power supply surrounding the chip. A poorly implemented AK4493 can sound harsh, while a masterfully implemented PCM1793 can sound surprisingly detailed.

I would like to add that I was not buying the same chip AK4493(Wiim pro+ model), but the "better" AK4497s, which can be found in the Topping E50 2 model. and that model has XLR connectors and a remote control, everything, and the price is only 200.

So the usual load of bollocks from ai as we know it.

 

[adias]

RoomFit has improved a lot. It’s quite good now, especially for Sound and Sound lite.