..... new amp for ultra

Worth noting that this is pretty much the same amplifier in a different enclosure, for quite a bit less money :)

I know this one but I want to have a similar design. Maybe the IOM Ncore if not available (100€ cheaper)
 
Hello
Will WiiM be producing their own just Power Amp in the near future or should I go for IOM Ultra ?
Not seeing much feedback on IOM amps.
Murf
 
Hi Edd Nog
You didn’t post your review / findings with IOM ultra, any comment ?
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I actually will be switching back to this amp soon; I am trading my pair of Topping B200s to my dad and taking the IOM Ultra back from him. My chain has about -6dB Gain loss due to DIRAC Live correction. At only +22dB gain on High Gain, the B200s are just a little short of gain that I desire for playing some of my quietest tracks at reference level, and the IOM Ultra's +26dB gain will resolve this problem handsomely. Temporarily using a VibeLink since I've shipped off the B200s to dad already. The VibeLink only has +20dB gain and is WAY too quiet because of this on my quietest tracks, and I'd rather not have to rely on a preamp between the DAC and the power amp to add gain.

-Ed
 
Probably been covered before no doubt.
WiiM Vibelink vs IOM Ultra, which one to go for, if either.
Am new to this Class D malarkey.
Currently using Quad 405/2 ( refurbed by Quad in March )
 
Probably been covered before no doubt.
WiiM Vibelink vs IOM Ultra, which one to go for, if either.
Am new to this Class D malarkey.
Currently using Quad 405/2 ( refurbed by Quad in March )
The VibeLink costs less, is slightly better visual match to WiiM Ultra streamer when stacked vertically, quieter pop noises when powering up. It also offers an analog volume attenuator (but no remote control).

IOM Ultra has more power, has more gain (provides greater headroom if room correction is applied that, "consumes," gain). It can take balanced, differential input from an external DAC if you pay for that upgrade. IOM is the same height as WiiM Ultra if placed side-by-side, unlike VibeLink, which is less tall.

Both are audibly transparent when level matched, flat across the audible frequency spectrum, and run very cool.

-Ed
 
Yeah, I'm sure the relative merits of both have been covered here and elsewhere.

My gut feeling is that, like many things in this crazy hobby, it depends - on your room, speakers, how hard you like to drive them, preferences, ears and brain etc. I personally don't think it's always necessary to go into the minutiae and chase every last db/ ounce of gain as @EddNog can appear to do, better to try and get your hands on the equipment and try it out. I feel some jumped at the IOM because it came to market before the Vibelink, perhaps was more of a visual match to the Ultra, and for those who like that sort of thing, it has the fashionable buzzwords like "Hypex Ncore driven amplifier" etc.

I think my vibelink is a good match for my Ultra and my Linn M109 speakers in my small to medium sized room and moderate listening levels (i.e. nobody asks me to turn the volume down - or up for that matter ;) )

YMMV...
 
The VibeLink costs less, is slightly better visual match to WiiM Ultra streamer when stacked vertically, quieter pop noises when powering up. It also offers an analog volume attenuator (but no remote control).

IOM Ultra has more power, has more gain (provides greater headroom if room correction is applied that, "consumes," gain). It can take balanced, differential input from an external DAC if you pay for that upgrade. IOM is the same height as WiiM Ultra if placed side-by-side, unlike VibeLink, which is less tall.

Both are audibly transparent when level matched, flat across the audible frequency spectrum, and run very cool.

-Ed
Hi Ed
Thanks for reply.
Thinking I might just spend the £250 on upgrading the Quad, dual power supplies, upgraded Caps etc etc.
Murf
 
Yeah, I'm sure the relative merits of both have been covered here and elsewhere.

My gut feeling is that, like many things in this crazy hobby, it depends - on your room, speakers, how hard you like to drive them, preferences, ears and brain etc. I personally don't think it's always necessary to go into the minutiae and chase every last db/ ounce of gain as @EddNog can appear to do, better to try and get your hands on the equipment and try it out. I feel some jumped at the IOM because it came to market before the Vibelink, perhaps was more of a visual match to the Ultra, and for those who like that sort of thing, it has the fashionable buzzwords like "Hypex Ncore driven amplifier" etc.

I think my vibelink is a good match for my Ultra and my Linn M109 speakers in my small to medium sized room and moderate listening levels (i.e. nobody asks me to turn the volume down - or up for that matter ;) )

YMMV...
Hi B
Thanks for input, what you are saying makes sense.
Murf
 
Hi H
Whilst Quad ( IAG ) still carry out servicing after all these years ( incredible service ) mine done in March 25.
They don’t do any mods, they don’t accept any mods improve their amps, which is a very odd view, imho.
Loads of guides on web, Nick de Smth or Liquid Audio very clear guides.
Cambridge MXW 70 now released and available might go down that route and do Quad as well ( gives me something to do )
Murf
 
Whilst Quad ( IAG ) still carry out servicing after all these years ( incredible service ) mine done in March 25.
They don’t do any mods, they don’t accept any mods improve their amps, which is a very odd view, imho.
Loads of guides on web, Nick de Smth or Liquid Audio very clear guides.
Cambridge MXW 70 now released and available might go down that route and do Quad as well ( gives me something to do )
My take on this is somewhere between the "extremes" as I would call them. :)

All classic Quad amps went through a couple of different revisions and I'm pretty sure IAG Quad will respect such updates when revising old gear (if the PCB allows for it). This is probably a little strict but I can understand their manufacturer's point of view. There have been edge cases where Quad insisted on replacing components according to the silk screening on the PCB when every other Quad shop said that this printing is in error. :P
Some of the unofficial Quad modders are taking things a bit too far for my taste. I see no point in trying to completely change the character of a device. I also wouldn't want to employ any change that could impact the legendary robustness of the Quad amps ("unconditionally stable into any load").
I've been quite happy with the way Dada Electronics did approach the upgrade business, which has always been on the mindful side. But sadly they are no more. First the owner and his engineer split, next the forum disappeared and finally the shop was taken down. Reportedly after having taken orders from some paying customers that wouldn't be fulfilled. I have no first hand information what has happened there, but it's all history.

Would I recommend a 405 or 606 to any WiiM Ultra owner who doesn't already own it? Tough question. Obviously, they can only be bought second hand and will usually need to be refurbished. It's probably only worth it if you can do that yourself or if you have a pair of Quad ESL or ESL 63 coming along with the amp. :D
 
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My take on this is somewhere between the "extremes" as I would call them. :)

All classic Quad amps went through a couple of different revisions and I'm pretty sure IAG Quad will respect such updates when revising old gear (if the PCB allows for it). This is probably a little strict but I can understand their manufacturers point of view. There have been edge cases where Quad insisted on replacing components according to the silk screening on the PCB when every other Quad shop said that this printing is in error. :P
Some of the unofficial Quad modders are taking things a bit too far for my taste. I see no point in trying to completely change the character of a device. I also wouldn't want to employ any change that could impact the legendary robustness of the Quad amps ("unconditionally stable into any load").
I've been quite happy with the way DaDa Electronics did approach the upgrade business, which has always been on the mindful side. But sadly they are no more. First the owner and his engineer split, next the forum disappeared and finally the shop was taken down. Reportedly after having taken orders from some paying customers that wouldn't be fulfilled. I have no first hand information what has happened there, but it's all history.

Would I recommend a 405 or 606 to any WiiM Ultra owner who doesn't already own it? Tough question. Obviously, they can only be bought second hand and will usually need to be refurbished. It's probably only worth it if you can do that yourself or if you have a pair of Quad ESL or ESL 63 coming along with the amp. :D
 
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