Sync subwoofer setting with EQ

[whisen]

I am using 2.1 channels in various configurations.

1. Speakers only
2. Crossovers
3. Crossover sub + Speaker Bass ouput

I am using EQ differently according to each configuration.
If I want to watch a movie while listening to music mainly in the 2 composition, change it to 3.

The problem is that I have to do a lot of manipulation when change to 3.
1.Eq Changes
2. Subwoofer level up
3. Turn on the main speaker bass output

I hope it will be changed together when I change EQ only.

 

[Burnside]

I think you’re asking for enhancements to smart presets I.e. for those settings to be available in a smart preset, not simply when you change EQ.

Raise a feature request ticket to WiiM via the more/feedback section in the app.

 

[hgo58]

I think you’re asking for enhancements to smart presets I.e. for those settings to be available in a smart preset, not simply when you change EQ.

Raise a feature request ticket to WiiM via the more/feedback section in the app.

This again shows that a feature the took a snapshot of all (or all relevant) settings and assigned it to a Preset would solve complicated settings as these.

@WiiM Team can of course implement a UI to include all the settings into the Preset edit but that will be a lot of work and a lot of maintenance. Much easier to just save what has been set via other menus and restore them when the Preset is selected. The "Follow current" option can be made available for configurations where it's relevant.

 

[whisen]

I think you’re asking for enhancements to smart presets I.e. for those settings to be available in a smart preset, not simply when you change EQ.

Raise a feature request ticket to WiiM via the more/feedback section in the app.

I've never used the smart preset feature. I checked and it looks like the subwoofer should have a preset as well.

 

[WiiM Support]

I've never used the smart preset feature. I checked and it looks like the subwoofer should have a preset as well.

Hi whisen, team

We’re also exploring another feature idea: allowing users to assign specific settings to each input source. For example, you could define a dedicated device group, EQ profile, and volume level for each input—like one setup for movies via HDMI or optical, and a different one for music streaming over Wi-Fi or Ethernet. Similarly, switching to Line-in or Phono input could trigger your preferred settings for turntable playback.

Let us know if this approach makes sense to you and if it would be helpful!

 

[Mr Ee]

Let us know if this approach makes sense to you and if it would be helpful!

I think the problem is that for some a simple set of settings per input would suffice, for others it's per output, and for others still it's a combination of both. I'm sure you're more than capable of visualising this without specific examples.

One thing I've commented on before, both here in general posts and in direct posts and during product / functional betas, is how some features seem to be considered / developed with quite a blinkered view on how your products are / might be used.
There may be reasonable reasons for this, such as expanding on already present functionality (e.g. smart presets), but in doing so this sometimes, or so it seems to me, leads to a somewhat awkward solution.

I'm not suggesting that doing something like post #3 (which has been suggested many times before) will be easy.
I'm not even suggesting this this is necessarily the optimal solution.
I also get that as we request, and you gratiously provide, more and more features, options and flexibility that this only gets harder and harder!

I am suggesting that stepping back and thoroughly exploring a holistic approach to settings management and assignment might be prudent.
Just don't mess things up like some other well known brand

 

[Wiimer]

Hi whisen, team

We’re also exploring another feature idea: allowing users to assign specific settings to each input source. For example, you could define a dedicated device group, EQ profile, and volume level for each input—like one setup for movies via HDMI or optical, and a different one for music streaming over Wi-Fi or Ethernet. Similarly, switching to Line-in or Phono input could trigger your preferred settings for turntable playback.

Let us know if this approach makes sense to you and if it would be helpful!

My opinion may be closer to @Mr Ee.

One of the advantages of having different settings for each input is the synergy with auto-sensing. This means that there is no need to press a preset button, everything is automatic. This is a great advantage, but if it cannot be associated with an output, it is likely to be an inadequate feature for some users.

Combining this functionality with smart presets might make up for the shortfall, but then it might be better to add more smart preset items. Also, as noted here, there are some inputs for which auto-sensing does not work.

It is good to have more user options, but at the same time it is necessary to make sure that the operation does not become too complicated.

To be honest, it is a difficult task..

 

[hgo58]

My opinion may be closer to @Mr Ee.

One of the advantages of having different settings for each input is the synergy with auto-sensing. This means that there is no need to press a preset button, everything is automatic. This is a great advantage, but if it cannot be associated with an output, it is likely to be an inadequate feature for some users.

Combining this functionality with smart presets might make up for the shortfall, but then it might be better to add more smart preset items. Also, as noted here, there are some inputs for which auto-sensing does not work.

It is good to have more user options, but at the same time it is necessary to make sure that the operation does not become too complicated.

To be honest, it is a difficult task..

Maybe it would be possible to associate a input/output with a Preset?

So the configurations are in the Present and it gets activated when the input or output is selected (manually or by auto sensing).

In this way we get a generic design with only one place to configure smart options.

 

[Wiimer]

you could define a dedicated device group,

Sorry, but before that, I would like to see the addition of the ability to select groups in the smart presets. I believe this was a planned feature.

It is also disappointing that the development of persistent groups appears to have fallen by the wayside..
(It is not possible to create multiple groups with different lead devices, and the realisation of leaderless groups also appears to be moving away.)

 

[Wiimer]

Maybe it would be possible to associate a input/output with a Preset?

I believe you can already do that, but I may be misinterpreting your words..

So the configurations are in the Present and it gets activated when the input or output is selected (manually or by auto sensing).

In this way we get a generic design with only one place to configure smart options.

Perhaps what the team envisages is a fully automatic function, independent of the smart presets. Once this is achieved, even presets will no longer be necessary.

However, I don't have the expertise that you have, so I don't know how best to do it technically

 

[Burnside]

Hi whisen, team

We’re also exploring another feature idea: allowing users to assign specific settings to each input source. For example, you could define a dedicated device group, EQ profile, and volume level for each input—like one setup for movies via HDMI or optical, and a different one for music streaming over Wi-Fi or Ethernet. Similarly, switching to Line-in or Phono input could trigger your preferred settings for turntable playback.

Let us know if this approach makes sense to you and if it would be helpful!

I think that adopting an approach as I suggested in the post below and assigning a saved set of settings/ profile would have been much more powerful, but I guess that ship had already sailed

Post in thread 'Saved settings/ profiles'
https://forum.wiimhome.com/threads/saved-settings-profiles.5049/post-88152

 

[hgo58]

I think that adopting an approach as I suggested in the post below and assigning a saved set of settings/ profile would have been much more powerful, but I guess that ship had already sailed

Post in thread 'Saved settings/ profiles'
https://forum.wiimhome.com/threads/saved-settings-profiles.5049/post-88152

As in comment #3?

 

[hgo58]

I believe you can already do that, but I may be misinterpreting your words..

Today you can set an input and an output switch in a Preset. What I suggest is that you can associate a Present to an input and output. So that the Preset is activated when the input or output is selected.

Another Preset could be associated to be activated when the input or output is deselected.

Perhaps what the team envisages is a fully automatic function, independent of the smart presets. Once this is achieved, even presets will no longer be necessary.

Yes but why add another place where you have to configure everything?

However, I don't have the expertise that you have, so I don't know how best to do it technically

Maybe it's just my 40 years of experience in designing and implementing user interfaces that is taking over?

Let us hope WiiM finds a solution that is not too convoluted.

 

[Burnside]

As in comment #3?

Yes, but I don’t see why what you suggest in the second paragraph is really any different other than in presentation.

 

[Wiimer]

Today you can set an input and an output switch in a Preset. What I suggest is that you can associate a Present to an input and output. So that the Preset is activated when the input or output is selected.

Another Preset could be associated to be activated when the input or output is deselected.

Yeah, I think that is one way of doing it. Personally, I hope that the @WiiM Team will consider a routine function as a long-term plan. This would allow for full automation with a high degree of freedom.

 

[hgo58]

Yes, but I don’t see why what you suggest in the second paragraph is really any different other than in presentation.

What I suggest is a bit of different from your initial suggestions in the way it is implemented.

The snapshot (save) of all relevant settings shall be done as part of editing the Preset and the reloading is done when selecting the Preset. Some values may then be overloaded be "follow current" settings in the Preset.

The basic functionality is however just as your original good suggestion.

Together with the option of associating Preset with the selection/deselection of input/output, this will give a very flexible control of the settings in different scenarios.

 

[Wiimer]

Together with the option of associating Preset with the selection/deselection of input/output, this will give a very flexible control of the settings in different scenarios.

I've thought about this a bit and wondered if duplicating the preset buttons could cause unintended behaviour?

E.g.
Preset 1 : associated with Optical in, EQ1 applied.
Preset 2 : Optical in, EQ2, volume 50%.

In this case, manually pressing the Preset 2 button switches the input to Optical and Preset 1 is applied. How does the EQ and volume change in this case?

 

[hgo58]

I've thought about this a bit and wondered if duplicating the preset buttons could cause unintended behaviour?

E.g.
Preset 1 : associated with Optical in, EQ1 applied.
Preset 2 : Optical in, EQ2, volume 50%.

In this case, manually pressing the Preset 2 button switches the input to Optical and Preset 1 is applied. How does the EQ and volume change in this case?

The association shall only be for manual selection of input (or maybe auto sensing?). One Preset shall not be able to trigger another Preset.

 

[Wiimer]

The association shall only be for manual selection of input (or maybe auto sensing?). One Preset shall not be able to trigger another Preset.

This means that, you have to manually switch from HDMI to optical input to apply Preset 1. We are back to primitive times

In any case, the problem is that if auto-sensing doesn't work on all inputs, the ability to assign settings for each input can't be used to its fullest extent..

 

[hgo58]

This means that, you have to manually switch from HDMI to optical input to apply Preset 1. We are back to primitive times

I don't understand that argument. You can of cause select any Preset manually and a Preset can set an input and an output, as it can now.

In any case, the problem is that if auto-sensing doesn't work on all inputs, the ability to assign settings for each input can't be used to its fullest extent..

That is clear. The auto sensing need to work for all inputs, if you don't want to press any buttons to change input.