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Regarding AI. I just heard "Girls Aloud - Biology" on the radio and thought that I heard obvious bits of Jean Genie in there so I Googled it. Here is the AI responseTaking @Wiimer seriously even when he's joking (I always do), his suggestion would rather lead to having AI individually optimise the RoomFit settings prior to performing the actual measurement and filter calculations, e.g. based on an interview. It could go ahead and check if these parameters are actually consistent and coherent with measured results.
But then again the same could be done purely based on algorithms, no need for AI.
That's for sure.
"Biology" is a song by the British girl group Girls Aloud, while "The Jean Genie" is a famous song by David Bowie, which was named after author Jean Genet. The two are not directly related, though a Guardian review of Girls Aloud's work mentions the "Saturday night/tottering girl-next-door aspect" in their appeal, which could be interpreted as a nod to the playful but somewhat transgressive image evoked by the term "Genie".
What the Guardian review actually said was this
For all the high art pretensions – the video montage of the five in full New Romantic makeup, Cole's newly rose-tattooed back, Nadine Coyle's strict perma-pout or the traces of David Bowie's Jean Genie in Biology – the Saturday night/tottering girl-next-door aspect is crucial to their appeal.
So traces of Jean Genie are present in Biology and AI has completely misunderstood. The line in the Guardian review quote by AI is taken completely out of context.
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I don't see what this has to do with the question by the OP?
And yes, we all know that chat AI cannot be trusted but the AI used in other contexts is not the same as when used as a search engine. AI (machine learning) works very well when applied to specific technical tasks.
Context is something I find AI often misses…
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not only valid for ai.
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I quoted the wrong post but regardless I wouldn't fully trust AI in any circumstances. How could it possibly determine the best settings for room correction before making any measurements. It could probably make improvements for repeated Roomfit runs based on the results of the first run in the same way that we do though.
Some are loving it - see this post in the WiiM streamer subreddit. I’ve seen similar mention of “Claude” being used in the WiiM Facebook forums too.
The AI doesn't have to make the decision. If there are several suggestions, the user can choose the better one from them.
For example, the AI could suggest several set values, including recommended settings for dominikz, and the user could try them one by one. It is also possible that the user could report their dissatisfaction after the measurement, which could be useful for future measurements. (This is just one example.)
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What does this mean?
"I’m using the stereo RoomFit feature, so uploaded two pictures and yes you need to explains that as well."
Does that mean he is actually using individual channel, not stereo? I don't see why you would need two pictures for stereo RoomFit.
Thanks to all of your for trying to enlighten me on the benefits of RoomFit.
I will give it a good try out when I have a few hours spare.
One thing I ain't going to be using is any AI stuff.
I had a good 25 minutes argument with AI a while back, I asked a simple factual statistical question but because it had obviously been programmed with a political/ religious bias it refused to give me the answer. I tried several methods of "attack" and it eventually gave me the answer I wanted. I knew what the answer was, it was documented in public statistics. But this AI system did not want to tell me the truth.
So my attitude to AI is that it will lie to you if ask it a question it doesn't like.
Bit pointless having it really I guess.
I will give it a good try out when I have a few hours spare.
One thing I ain't going to be using is any AI stuff.
I had a good 25 minutes argument with AI a while back, I asked a simple factual statistical question but because it had obviously been programmed with a political/ religious bias it refused to give me the answer. I tried several methods of "attack" and it eventually gave me the answer I wanted. I knew what the answer was, it was documented in public statistics. But this AI system did not want to tell me the truth.
So my attitude to AI is that it will lie to you if ask it a question it doesn't like.
Bit pointless having it really I guess.
Who knows? Sounds like he had fun though
It is partially off-topic, but I feel that the term "AI" is starting to be be used almost exclusively to refer to online LLM-based AI chat tools like ChatGPT, which are unfortunately often prone to hallucinations (even if their responses are delivered with an authoritative and convincing tone).
"AI" however is a broader term, and some AI tools perform specific tasks much more reliably than others.
Hopefully more people using tools like ChatGPT will start to understand that (at least for now) there is very limited reasoning behind the answers provided so (almost) everything it returns should be double-checked for accuracy. That doesn't make it useless, though.
It can often do things like generate pictures, summarize text and reword sentences quite well, but it is usually not as well-suited to complex tasks that require any kind of deeper understanding of the subject (like e.g. helping us troubleshoot specific issues with room acoustics).
As another example, AI in the form of machine learning / supervised learning is very good at data analysis and prediction - which is why it might be useful for speedy determination of PEQ filter attributes (when given the measured frequency response as input). My suspicion is that WiiM RoomFit might be using this approach.
"AI" however is a broader term, and some AI tools perform specific tasks much more reliably than others.
Hopefully more people using tools like ChatGPT will start to understand that (at least for now) there is very limited reasoning behind the answers provided so (almost) everything it returns should be double-checked for accuracy. That doesn't make it useless, though.
It can often do things like generate pictures, summarize text and reword sentences quite well, but it is usually not as well-suited to complex tasks that require any kind of deeper understanding of the subject (like e.g. helping us troubleshoot specific issues with room acoustics).
As another example, AI in the form of machine learning / supervised learning is very good at data analysis and prediction - which is why it might be useful for speedy determination of PEQ filter attributes (when given the measured frequency response as input). My suspicion is that WiiM RoomFit might be using this approach.
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AI in my opinion is just a totally over-hyped next big thing fancy buzzword jibber-jabber b*llsh*t effort to give credibility to whatever it gets attached to that otherwise has none. This coming from seeing one next big thing after another in over 40 years in IT. It’s all just more marketing CRAP. You can take that with as many grains of salt as I take with AI.
Now back to our regularly scheduled thread topic.
Now back to our regularly scheduled thread topic.
Not only that. Having a phone that properly coop with Wiim app is needed. I have POCO X7 Pro and Roomfit is totally useless for me. No matter what, the measurement shows low tones cut off, as if they were not there at all. Months are passing, and I still can't use this feature.
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Neural networks have been studied for decades. To culminate in things like ChatGPT is embarrassing.
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Why do you think this has anything to do with the phone?
The RoomFit calculations are not done by the WiiM Home App on the phone.
If you use a USB microphone the ADC is done by the microphone and the test sweeps just forwarded by the app to the WiiM servers.
Can you show how your RoomFit measure look like? Maybe it's a configuration issue?
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It has been reported a few times in the forum that some phones roll off at low frequencies even with a USB microphone.
Probably. I have iMM-6C USB-C microphone. So I need to find an adapter: Line out to USB-A, to connect it to my PC. Will the microphone be correctly recognized by REW then?
This
hgo58
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That is strange, as the data from the microphone should not be intercepted by the phones software when using the "unprocessed" Audio Source API.
The internal mic may be cutting the low frequencies but a USB should not.
You are probably right that there are phones that doesn't fully comply. Then there is nothing WiiM can do.
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