WiiM Amp Ultra Users Experience

All of my electronic devices that I use occasionally are connected to a switchable power outlet. I have no problems with unwanted updates or any of the other issues frequently mentioned here šŸ˜‰

Merry Christmas!
I do the same, specially since my new LG TV arrived. It insists on switching its audio output to the WAU even if it is in stand-by mode. Furthermore, USB port is always powered thus keeping my DAC always on. The solution, as you say is a switchable power outlet and power the entire audio rig only when it is going to be used.
 
I'll try, but this morning, all I could do was pull the main plug. Remote commands also didn't work anymore.
Let us know if it comes back. It definitely helps to send in feedback too, try before rebooting if you can, but if not, than you can do it after. Just stretching at random things which may or may not be related... the Amp Ultra update that dropped yesterday had some Qobuz related things in it, so I wonder if there was something related which needed a reboot on your device. Or maybe your device hadn't updated yet... That said, those things may not have anything do to with it.
 
Thanks @RyanWithWiiM for your reply.
It did happen again yesterday, and I was able to send the feedback report.

The last time it was used was the day before, playing from Qobuz. This time, I could select presets on the remote and change volume up and down, but it never started playing anything, not from my NAS, not from TuneIn and not from Qobuz.

Last night, I played some music from the NAS and put the WAU in standby. This morning, I just pressed the preset button on the remote and TuneIn started playing, so I think it has something to do with Qobuz.

My amp ultra didn't get the update yet. It still says the device is up to date with firmware 5.2.734250
 


The review is positive for the Ultra amp...(although it remains somewhat sensitive to load when increasing frequency despite the pffb ;-) )
but this deserves a more technical explanation, "seriously," from the technical experts at Wiim...
Interesting...
;-)

***Note: CEA-2006 Burst Testing was attempted but was not successful. There are some potential reasons why such as soft limiter or a limited power supply. Without WiiM’s input (or others’ testing) I cannot say for sure.****


with a significant delay and other comparable releases already available.... ( eric corner 30/06/25)...
So it's not very useful except for visibility... for Wiim and... ASR...

(I just don't know if Eric Corner charges like Armin ( which he acknowledged during a discussion on asr...) from ASR...?)

 
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I'm quite happy with the review and measurements provided. The high-frequency distortion is typical of TPA3255 amps, and I guess it's unavoidable unless more complex designs like Purifi are used. It's a wonderful all-in-one system, and for the price, nothing more can be asked.
 
For those who are measuring temperatures with IR thermometers, you might consider watching this video to learn about the limitations of those devices. The emissivity coefficient of the Wiim product's painted surface probably doesn't match the one the IR thermometer was calibrated for (if it was calibrated at all). It's actually pretty hard to measure temperatures accurately.

 
For those who are measuring temperatures with IR thermometers, you might consider watching this video to learn about the limitations of those devices. The emissivity coefficient of the Wiim product's painted surface probably doesn't match the one the IR thermometer was calibrated for (if it was calibrated at all). It's actually pretty hard to measure temperatures accurately.

Matt grey is a pretty good colour as a target for IR thermometers. What you need to avoid is shiny metal surfaces.
 
As others have said before, it's almost cool with no fan.


The point is that you are talking like you found out some dirty secret about the WiiM Amp Ultra and because of the ingenious move of adding a fan you have been able to mitigate the design error:

There is no design error in the WiiM Amp Ultra. It works and will continue to do so for years to come with no additional fan.


No such thing as a noiseless fan. If you cannot hear it, it really does work for you. Keeps me wondering why you have to shout at us when your fans are all silent.

I haven't seen anything in your posts on this topic indicating that you understood the real problem with the TPA3255 chips. It's not the case temperature. It's the problem of the high energy density because of the very small contact patch these tiny chips have to offer. The key to keeping a TPA3255 based design healthy and happy is to quickly dissipate the heat away from the chip. That's exactly what the heat pipe solution employed by WiiM does. Heat does not simply rise. That's pub-physics, at best. Heat transfer occurs in the direction of decreasing temperature, driven by the local temperature gradient. In other words: Wherever there are cooler temperatures, the heat flux vector will point into that direction, no matter if its upwards, downwards or sideways.


It is and that individual feel is totally irrelevant for if the chip gets toasted or not. It doesn't care for individual perception.

It's totally up to you if you are happy or not with the case temperature of any device. If you don't like it the way it is, you are free to either ditch it or help yourself with cooling fans. That's all fine, you can do whatever you want and additional air flow will never be a disadvantage. Nobody can force you to accept a surface temperature that makes you feel uncomfortable.

But please, don't try to tell anybody that there is a technical problem just because you prefer a different design. Objectively there is no technical problem. No more, no less.
To Wiim


Technical problem, I wrote about this somewhere. I always mentioned that there are temperature differences with Class D streamer/amplifier devices.



Regarding the power output of the VibeLink, it is significantly too low via the analog input, which I didn't know when I ordered it... Temperature after 1 hour of use on an 18" dipole woofer: 42 degrees on the cover... Returned

It's a technical problem, no... but it's not cool

It was about the terms -
cool = warm
Fan too loud = inaudible


P.S.

@ EddNog

Third-party device

Amplifier manufacturers know what they're doing. I had that confidence too.

It cost me a Pre because the amp got really hot.

THE reason why I'm taking preventive action with a fan.



Bye
 
To Wiim


Technical problem, I wrote about this somewhere. I always mentioned that there are temperature differences with Class D streamer/amplifier devices.



Regarding the power output of the VibeLink, it is significantly too low via the analog input, which I didn't know when I ordered it... Temperature after 1 hour of use on an 18" dipole woofer: 42 degrees on the cover... Returned

It's a technical problem, no... but it's not cool

It was about the terms -
cool = warm
Fan too loud = inaudible


P.S.

@ EddNog

Third-party device

Amplifier manufacturers know what they're doing. I had that confidence too.

It cost me a Pre because the amp got really hot.

THE reason why I'm taking preventive action with a fan.



Bye
That's the first time you actually mentioned a temperature. It wasn't too difficult was it šŸ‘
 
In the commercial sector, electrical components are specified for operating temperatures (continuous operating temperature ranges) of 0 to 70 °C, and in the industrial sector from -40 to 85 °C. I don't see any problems here.

Then there are also AEC-Q and military temperature ranges, but that would be more than oversized.
 
That's the first time you actually mentioned a temperature. It wasn't too difficult was it šŸ‘
By the way

Since we mentioned frying pans...
Yes, I would, it depends on what condition the food should be in.šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

At normal blood circulation, the temperature of the hands is lukewarm,
~ 32 degrees for men
~ 42 degrees is already considered quite warm, > 50 degrees šŸ˜‚
 
Amps are made of electrical and electronic components, 42C is really cool !!! A GPU or CPU can work at 80C. The TPA3255 temperature at idle conditions can reach from 50C to 75C, the junction temperature can reach 125C without problems and the chip has an overheating protection. No need to worry at all!

But if you are concerned by temperature why not using a Peltier cooling device instead of a fan ?? That's truly noiseless :-)
 
Amps are made of electrical and electronic components, 42C is really cool !!! A GPU or CPU can work at 80C. The TPA3255 temperature at idle conditions can reach from 50C to 75C, the junction temperature can reach 125C without problems and the chip has an overheating protection. No need to worry at all!

But if you are concerned by temperature why not using a Peltier cooling device instead of a fan ?? That's truly noiseless :-)
Device lifetime halves for every 10C temperature rise so "125C without problems" is not strictly true.
 
Amps are made of electrical and electronic components, 42C is really cool !!! A GPU or CPU can work at 80C. The TPA3255 temperature at idle conditions can reach from 50C to 75C, the junction temperature can reach 125C without problems and the chip has an overheating protection. No need to worry at all!

But if you are concerned by temperature why not using a Peltier cooling device instead of a fan ?? That's truly noiseless :-)
Most pc components are rated to 100c. Certain ones higher!
Remember if the case is warm it’s doing its job get the heat away from the wiims internals. This is a good thing!
 
Device lifetime halves for every 10C temperature rise so "125C without problems" is not strictly true.
Agree, but this rule cannot be that simple. If you consider the number of 10 °C increments starting from 0 K, you’d end up with a very short lifetime even at 0 °C (0.5²⁷ < 10⁻⁹ šŸ™‚). Jokes aside, it is true that some components—such as capacitors—suffer more than others and have more limited lifetimes. That said, if the manufacturer specifies an operating temperature range, you can use that as a guideline, and 40–50 °C is not a problem (think of Class A amps!). Of course, it’s better to operate near ambient temperature, but in the case of the WAU, being a computer-based device, it will likely become obsolete long before it fails due to overheating. If WiiM introduces a new WAU 2 with better DSP capabilities (e.g., FIR filters, 2 sub outputs and Hypex NCx) at a competitive price, many of us will be waiting an excuse to replace the older model, and in that case a shorter lifetime wouldn't be a problem :) .
 
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