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The app is separate from the firmware so the next device firmware update will be required.
Ongoing Beta Beta Test: WiiM Persistent Group (WiiM Mini Updates)
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Got. Thanks so much for clarifying. I hadn’t appreciated the distinction. Thanks again.
How is the beta firmware received? I’ve filled out the form found on this thread with my MAC addresses, but the beta version of the app (through TestFlight) still has no Group functionality. I’m assuming this is because my WiiM Mini’s are still on the regular firmware?
I guess this beta is closed given initial sign up was at the start of November. We must be getting close to a public release.
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Hi WiiM Community,
We are excited to announce that we will be resuming beta testing for the WiiM Persistent Group feature on the WiiM Mini. If you're interested in participating, please submit your Wiim Forum username and MAC address through the Beta Test link.
If you previously registered your WiiM Mini for this beta, we will send the beta firmware directly to you.
We are excited to announce that we will be resuming beta testing for the WiiM Persistent Group feature on the WiiM Mini. If you're interested in participating, please submit your Wiim Forum username and MAC address through the Beta Test link.
If you previously registered your WiiM Mini for this beta, we will send the beta firmware directly to you.
Hey everyone. Having been eagerly awaiting the Persistent Groups feature to rollout to the Pro+, and now having received it, I am somewhat confused and a little disappointed in its implementation. Maybe I have misunderstood the goal, but I can't see that it actually adds much in the way of meaningful functionality. Maybe somebody here could enlighten me.
In and amongst my home Linkplay environment I have 3x Pro+ that are ALWAYS grouped and played together. Sometimes they are grouped with other Pro+ and/or AudioPro devices, but in all cases these particular 3 devices are grouped and handled as a single point of playback (they are a "persistent group").
My aspiration was that the Persistent Group feature would merge them into a single "device" in the WiiM Home App, where they appear as a single entry with a single volume slider, without the possibility of accidental un-grouping or misaligning their individual volume sliders. This is not the case. Yes I have created a "persistent group," but when selecting the device for playback everything still functions basically the same as it had before. The persistent group is there in the list of persistent groups, but that doesn't change the front end device selection experience at all. Maybe this is user error, but I fail to see the value in the Persistent Groups feature in its current implementation.
In and amongst my home Linkplay environment I have 3x Pro+ that are ALWAYS grouped and played together. Sometimes they are grouped with other Pro+ and/or AudioPro devices, but in all cases these particular 3 devices are grouped and handled as a single point of playback (they are a "persistent group").
My aspiration was that the Persistent Group feature would merge them into a single "device" in the WiiM Home App, where they appear as a single entry with a single volume slider, without the possibility of accidental un-grouping or misaligning their individual volume sliders. This is not the case. Yes I have created a "persistent group," but when selecting the device for playback everything still functions basically the same as it had before. The persistent group is there in the list of persistent groups, but that doesn't change the front end device selection experience at all. Maybe this is user error, but I fail to see the value in the Persistent Groups feature in its current implementation.
Similar to the discussion about stereo pairs and volume control, I feel group or individual volume control should be configurable options. While you may wish your three group members to be assimilated into one entity with a single group volume control, I might equally have such a group (say “downstairs”) with three devices, all the same or different, some with their own speakers or feeding different audio systems, where I’d want the kitchen, lounge and dining room devices to be able to control the volume commensurate with their environment , but all playing the same music in the “downstairs” group. The group volume might still have a role to play there if I wanted to mute them all at once, or proportionally increase all their volume by a similar amount.
100%.
What you describe is exactly my overall multi-room use. It seems that a "Persistent Groups" feature should enable a stereo pair or other truly persistent group to be integrated with the playback scheme you describe. If I have a room with a Pro+ running in-ceiling mains and another Pro+ running a networked subwoofer that are precisely tuned to be played together (this is my main floor), when I add them to the basement Pro+ or the bedroom A10, I'd like to maintain independent control of each of those rooms but keep the main floor sub and mains persistently linked. In the current grouping function each is treated as its own and the sub/mains can become ungrouped or the volumes can become un-synched.
What I am ultimately confused about is, what does the current implementation of persistent groups actually do? I can't figure out what what it accomplishes.
What you describe is exactly my overall multi-room use. It seems that a "Persistent Groups" feature should enable a stereo pair or other truly persistent group to be integrated with the playback scheme you describe. If I have a room with a Pro+ running in-ceiling mains and another Pro+ running a networked subwoofer that are precisely tuned to be played together (this is my main floor), when I add them to the basement Pro+ or the bedroom A10, I'd like to maintain independent control of each of those rooms but keep the main floor sub and mains persistently linked. In the current grouping function each is treated as its own and the sub/mains can become ungrouped or the volumes can become un-synched.
What I am ultimately confused about is, what does the current implementation of persistent groups actually do? I can't figure out what what it accomplishes.
Mr Ee
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Persistent groups is perhaps a misnomer.
They are named groups (whose definitions persist) that you can choose as a target without having to manage the current set of wiims you want to play to on the fly.
e.g. "Upstairs" is all upstairs wiims, "downstairs" is all downstairs wiims, "house" is all wiims, and you choose which of the 3 named groups to play to.
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Just updated 2 Mini's to the beta firmware via the WHA. Adding the Mini's to 4 different groups with 2 Pro's. All groups work and selection functions as I expected.
I also like the fact that when you select the group from the expected primary device you also have the option to add any other device from the remaining devise list. Makes it inclusive of other Linkplay (non wiim os) devices. I was worried that persistent group function may make linking other Linkplay devices and Wiim's more labourous. It does not
Obviously if your primary is already a secondary device in an existing group you need to take it out of the group to make it a primary.
I like the fact that you don't have to declare a primary for each group. Keeps things simple and reduces the number of groups needed. i.e. any member of a group can be the primary source device. That's selected as normal from the devices page in WHA.
From my perspective, as a heavy user of the multiroom capability a very good job 
I also like the fact that when you select the group from the expected primary device you also have the option to add any other device from the remaining devise list. Makes it inclusive of other Linkplay (non wiim os) devices. I was worried that persistent group function may make linking other Linkplay devices and Wiim's more labourous. It does not
Obviously if your primary is already a secondary device in an existing group you need to take it out of the group to make it a primary.
I like the fact that you don't have to declare a primary for each group. Keeps things simple and reduces the number of groups needed. i.e. any member of a group can be the primary source device. That's selected as normal from the devices page in WHA.
From my perspective, as a heavy user of the multiroom capability a very good job
I see they've snuck in Room Correction for the Mini in this beta...
Didn't see that, result! One to test out over the weekend
As replied to elsewhere, please raise a ticket
Persistent groups doesnt really work for me. Official fw on Ultra, Amp and Pro
Beta on 4 Minis.
I can add all devices in groups, but when connecting to the groups from Spotify, just 1 or 2 units will play depending on the units in the group.
All Minis in one group: only one mini is playing
Ultra, Amp and pro in one group: only ultra and Amp is playing.
All units in one group: just one mini is playing.
Manually grouping them in the app works just fine.
Beta on 4 Minis.
I can add all devices in groups, but when connecting to the groups from Spotify, just 1 or 2 units will play depending on the units in the group.
All Minis in one group: only one mini is playing
Ultra, Amp and pro in one group: only ultra and Amp is playing.
All units in one group: just one mini is playing.
Manually grouping them in the app works just fine.
hgo58
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Do you play from Spotify? Make sure you don't use Chromecast.
All units have Spotify connect as default in Spotify app. Groups aswell. Well except groups containing Minis, because they dont even have an option for chromecast there
Did you connect to a persistent group in the Spotify app?
I created a persistent group "All rooms" in the WiiM app and put 5 WiiMs in it. when I connect to "All rooms" in the Spotify app, I get sound from all 5 WiiMs. Mine is fine.
Yes connected to the groups i have created
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