Test WIIM pro+ with different power supplies

[canard]

I'm with you RAAM....this is one of the most anti-audiophile, non-constructive or motivating forums I have ever been on. This is a joke....so I am here for the laughs

you have to be honest, until your investment is more vehement here it was going quite well..each other didn't feel obliged to stiffen up in the sometimes diverse or even contrary approaches..etc..
it's a shame...

 

[WiiM Support]

Hi Team,

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[Musician]

Comparing lt1084 with lm317 and with Apple iPad charger from 2012 - what power supply is best when using WiiM pro as a digital bridge ?




Edit : first impression , lt1084 dont get as warm as the lm317 . This was expected because the heatsink and the current ability is larger with the lt1084 board.

 

[Musician]

This experiment opens up to try a second regulator after the lt1084, using a dc-dc converter at 5 V. This will in most cases bring the ripple down to the noise of the dc-dc regulator. This will be done in a couple of days.
Longtherm listening now, one day with lm317, the other with lt1084, third with Apple charger.

 

[buybeach]

I can‘t speak to the issue of audiophile grade distinctions but I know for a fact that my WiiM Pro would not properly decode some high resolution tracks until I swapped out the OEM (junk) USB power supply and used a more robust one. Works now. So this is certainly an area worth experimentation.

 

[Wiimer]

I can‘t speak to the issue of audiophile grade distinctions but I know for a fact that my WiiM Pro would not properly decode some high resolution tracks until I swapped out the OEM (junk) USB power supply and used a more robust one. Works now. So this is certainly an area worth experimentation.

"WiiM Pro would not properly decode some high resolution tracks"

Can you give me a little more specific symptoms about this?
For example, have you encountered problems such as noise or interruptions?

Thank you.

 

[Musician]

Listening tests finnished. I cant hear any difference between the lm317 and lt1084 card when using WiiM pro as a digital bridge.
They sound exactly the same - and slightly, tiny bit better than the iPad charger. The lt1084 dont get as warm as the lm317 so its gonna be the choice.

One surprise for me is using the analog output from the WiiM pro directly to my power amp using the lt1084 linear power supply. It sounds much better this way than with the stock supply. Not as good as using the Rega dac, but it comes closer .

Using the WiiM pro:s inbuilt dac has the convenience and the ability to lower the maximum voltage output from the RCA outputs, down to 500 mV.

According to Vintageflankers measurements using this function, the distortion goes down in an unusual way using the 500 mV option in the WiiM app. This way it fits the gain of my Hypex ncore much better than 2V.

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Vintageflanker writes:
Line Out Level
The WiiM Pro also comes with four selectable (fixed) output levels. While I did not test precisely the behaviour of digital attenuation at different level in the analog domain, (but I did catch THD+N at different digital volume below), I measured each of the output settings and expected a logical drop in performance. Yet, for some reason, the opposite happened:
2Vrms : -88.8dB THD+N
1Vrms : -92.8dB THD+N
800mV : -93.1dB THD+N
500mV : -93.2dB THD+N

Read more here :

WiiM Pro - Review & Measurements (Streamer)

WiiM Pro - Review & Measurements Hey folks, It is time for my first review of 2023... This one is about a complete objective analysis of the new WiiM Pro streamer. The aforementioned has been recently announced, back in November 2022, and I can see quite a strong hype around it since. That...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Vintageflanker : Im wondering if the Intermodulation distortion also goes down using the 500 mV output from the WiiM pro ?

 

[Mat]

Listening tests finnished. I cant hear any difference between the lm317 and lt1084 card when using WiiM pro as a digital bridge.
They sound exactly the same - and slightly, tiny bit better than the iPad charger

as someone currently using an Apple charger and thinking of trying out a small LPS for digital, thanks for this experiment!

 

[Musician]

I had to do this … to be sure If there is further improvements using another lm317 DC-DC converter after the lt1084 card. The ripple should be attenuated further 70 dB and the noise left is the noise from the lm317 regulator.
So, 7.8 V DC out from from the lt1084 card and 5.0 V from the buck converter feeding the wiim.

 

[Musician]

Listening results finnished.
No differences compared with the single lt1084 power supply card, using WiiM pro as a digital bridge.

 

[alex-mayer]

Yesteday I got my Audiophonics LPSU25 5V USB power supply.

Solid build quality, no "strange sounds" or hum, does not get hot or even too warm.

At present I use the analog-out of the WIIM Pro Plus - and using the Audiophonics LPSU25 5V USB "opens up" the sound overall.

In France it sells for around 75,-- Euro + postage.

Recommend.

Greetings from Germany,
Alexander

 

[Rudivanb]

Yesteday I got my Audiophonics LPSU25 5V USB power supply.

Solid build quality, no "strange sounds" or hum, does not get hot or even too warm.

At present I use the analog-out of the WIIM Pro Plus - and using the Audiophonics LPSU25 5V USB "opens up" the sound overall.

In France it sells for around 75,-- Euro + postage.

Recommend.

Greetings from Germany,
Alexander

Nice, I have the same LPSU but using the digital out of the Wiim Pro. Even in this set-up it does improve the sound quality. I have also experimented with different power cables feeding the LPSU, but if there are differences I can't really hear them. As always YMMV.

 

[homeduck]

Yesteday I got my Audiophonics LPSU25 5V USB power supply.

Solid build quality, no "strange sounds" or hum, does not get hot or even too warm.

At present I use the analog-out of the WIIM Pro Plus - and using the Audiophonics LPSU25 5V USB "opens up" the sound overall.

In France it sells for around 75,-- Euro + postage.

Recommend.

Greetings from Germany,
Alexander


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Hi, are you using it only to power Wiim Pro Plus. am i right? as i see it has 2 usb ports, do you know if it is able to power simultaneously 2 device like Wiim Pro and a Dac (5V 1A input)? thank you!

 

[alex-mayer]

@ homeduck:
I do use only one USB connection for the WIIM Pro Plus.
I am not sure about the possibility to use the two USB-out at once/in parallel mode.
As there is no user manual, I cannot look it up - but I suppose that as long as the max. of 2A is respected, it should be possible to connect two devices in parallel mode.
You might just drop a line at www.audiophonics.fr - they speak French and English.


@Rudivanb:
Thank you for sharing your experience you made with this LPSU.
At present I use a standard power cord, but I might look out for a shorter one, as 1.25 m is too long.
0.75 m would be enough, and for that I usually buy a DIY-power cord, this one I use for several small devices:

Supra Cables LoRad 1.5 MkII Netzkabel & Groneberg Stecker - PAKET | dienadel.de

PowerPack für Selbermacher. Länge des Netzkabel wählbar. Im Paket enthalten: Supra Cables LoRad 1.5 MkII Netzkabel (3x1,5mm²) - Länge wie ausgewählt. 1 x Groneberg Schutzkontakt-Stecker

www.dienadel.de

Greetings from Germany,
Alexander

 

[Rudivanb]

@ homeduck:
I do use only one USB connection for the WIIM Pro Plus.
I am not sure about the possibility to use the two USB-out at once/in parallel mode.
As there is no user manual, I cannot look it up - but I suppose that as long as the max. of 2A is respected, it should be possible to connect two devices in parallel mode.
You might just drop a line at www.audiophonics.fr - they speak French and English.


@Rudivanb:
Thank you for sharing your experience you made with this LPSU.
At present I use a standard power cord, but I might look out for a shorter one, as 1.25 m is too long.
0.75 m would be enough, and for that I usually buy a DIY-power cord, this one I use for several small devices:

Supra Cables LoRad 1.5 MkII Netzkabel & Groneberg Stecker - PAKET | dienadel.de

PowerPack für Selbermacher. Länge des Netzkabel wählbar. Im Paket enthalten: Supra Cables LoRad 1.5 MkII Netzkabel (3x1,5mm²) - Länge wie ausgewählt. 1 x Groneberg Schutzkontakt-Stecker

www.dienadel.de

Greetings from Germany,
Alexander

I have tried that Supra cable on my DAC / Headphone amp, it gave a darker sound with less details, therefore I am not a fan of this cable. If you like I can sent you 1 m. without plugs.

 

[alex-mayer]

@ Rudivanb:

Thank you for your offer.
At present, I do not have a plan when I might exchange the power cable.
And I might try as an alternative to the Supra an Eupen EMC/COM:

Eupen EMC/COM Ferrit-Filterkabel, 3x2.5qmm, Meterware

ProAudioGear.de Eupens EMV-Leitung wirkt nicht nur wie eine herkömmliche Abschirmung, sondern zusätzlich durch die im ferritgefüllten Compound a

shop.proaudiogear.de

Greetings from Germany,
Alexander

 

[homeduck]

@ homeduck:
I do use only one USB connection for the WIIM Pro Plus.
I am not sure about the possibility to use the two USB-out at once/in parallel mode.
As there is no user manual, I cannot look it up - but I suppose that as long as the max. of 2A is respected, it should be possible to connect two devices in parallel mode.
You might just drop a line at www.audiophonics.fr - they speak French and English.


@Rudivanb:
Thank you for sharing your experience you made with this LPSU.
At present I use a standard power cord, but I might look out for a shorter one, as 1.25 m is too long.
0.75 m would be enough, and for that I usually buy a DIY-power cord, this one I use for several small devices:

Supra Cables LoRad 1.5 MkII Netzkabel & Groneberg Stecker - PAKET | dienadel.de

PowerPack für Selbermacher. Länge des Netzkabel wählbar. Im Paket enthalten: Supra Cables LoRad 1.5 MkII Netzkabel (3x1,5mm²) - Länge wie ausgewählt. 1 x Groneberg Schutzkontakt-Stecker

www.dienadel.de

Greetings from Germany,
Alexander

I reached Audiophonics support and they answered 2A is the max current from outputs (so from both USB as total amount). So, device cannot power both Wiim Pro (1.5A) and a Dac (1A) simultaneously.

 

[canard]

out of curiosity and knowing that it is a fairly "clean" charger, I use a 1A chromecast audio transformer over time with "plus"..does not really heat up, has not burned..
(but I observed a consumption of less than 0.6a so it is not so inconsistent)

 

[RAAM]

Those ratings are max ratings, likely never draw that much current so a 2.0 rated supply will likely work fine on the combined rating of 2.5 amps if your DAC is not also used as the gain control, fixed output, etc...BUT, it could mater, you can try it and see how it works out. Of course it might be better to have a higher rated supply or separate supplies. I would lean towards trying it out, not over heating, no noticeable signal degradation, I would just run it if I needed to save a the money, space, etc.

Search to see if you can find measured current readings on both products, actually that is the place to start before testing them.

Rick

 

[cooky560]

Hifi should really be about what sounds nice to the system's owner. I have everything from old 70s amps to my wiim amp, I'm sure most of them measure terribly compared to $40,000 hifi stuff shown at the trade shows, however I like how they sound and isn't that what it's all about?