[2 subwoofers] Challenging RC with WHA alone

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Hi,

I recently readjusted my audio room setup and decided to see how far I could get with room correction using only the WiiM home app.

I've already wrote this in another thread, but here it is again to explain the situation in my room and system.

[Terminology]
WHA : WiiM home app
MRM : Multi-Room Music group
RC : Room Correction
MMM : Moving Mic Measurement (in the RC Settings)


[My room]

This is before the change (April 20)
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After the change (June 3)
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Initially, I had chosen a 1.5m triangle to move the listening point away from the back wall, but I decided on this distance because the speakers were too close and the scenery reflected in my eyes was unpleasant..

This is actually an arrangement I have done before, but now I have moved the speakers even closer to the wall.


[My system]
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I'm using Ultra and Pro to operate 2 Subs.
The 2 WiiM devices are linked by MRM.
I also connect a Mini to the Optical-in of the Ultra to evaluate the room correction results for the entire system.


First, the volume settings for the sub were made.
After unifying the volume bar values on the 2 WiiMs to 0%, set the volume on the sub side to 50%.

Since the main speakers already have the following settings, we adjust them accordingly using the Pro volume limit and line out level.
Main speakers
Ultra : volume limit 70%
Vibelink amp : 1:00

Specifically, adjust the Pro line out level and volume limit while gradually increasing the group volume to 90% in WHA, and match the volume of the main speakers and Sub. (At this point, the Room Correction Audio saved in WHA's My Tracks is played back on repeat.)
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Finally, I set the Pro's line out level to 1Vrms and the volume limit to 65%. (Sub volume will be fine-tuned later while running RC.)

Note that the crossover value has already been changed to 100hz in the Ultra Subwoofer Settings in order to set the crossover to 100hz in this case.


Next, I used "Sync Audio" in the Ultra's device settings screen to compensate for the delay between the main and sub.
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Here I used a 100hz sine wave downloaded from the web and set it to the value at which the volume was loudest while adjusting with MANUAL SYNC. The result was 1 ms.


Now that I have completed all the settings, I can use WHA to perform RC.

Before I could do this, I needed to know where the X-axis (frequency) was on the graph displayed in the WHA RC results, so I repeated the measurement several times to create this.
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It would be difficult to adjust the 2 subs using only auto RC, so the Sub is manually corrected with L/R PEQ while watching this graph.

This is the 2 Subs response measured with RC with EQ disabled.
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And this is the result of measuring the left and right Sub separately.
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The left Sub has a large dip at 70hz and the right Sub has a dip at 35hz. I decided to look at this and adjust each side while repeating the measurements on the MMM RC.
(The left and right Sub is adjusted individually while watching the stereo RC response.)

e.g., to flatten the peak at 75hz, calculate the EQ value that results in the same shaped dip.
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My method of calculation is very rough and I could be wrong, but I am making a rough adjustment here and fine-tuning it later.

The Q value of 1 octave at ±3dB gain is 1.41, so it can be roughly calculated from here.
1oct : Q 1.41
1/2oct : 2.82
1/3oct : 4.23
1/4oct : 5.64
1/5oct : 7.05
1/6oct : 8.46
1/7oct : 9.87
1/8oct : 11.28
1/9oct : 12.69
1/10oct : 14.14



The range I want to adjust is generally 60hz-85hz. 1 octave above 75hz is 150hz, so I'll make a -6dB EQ at 1/6 octave to try it out.

Result
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Only the peaks could be shaved off a little. To increase accuracy, fine-tune by changing the frequency to 73hz or increasing the gain.
After adjusting one location, run RC to see the results.

I must have repeated this process about 30 times...
After several hours of work, I was finally able to correct it like this.

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From 25hz to 100hz is generally ±1dB. I honestly don't know if I need to go this far, but it means a lot to me that I was able to achieve a very clean flat using only WHA.

I evaluated this in my Android analyzer app which use all the time.
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It seems no problem.


Now that the Sub correction is complete, the next step is to adjust the main speakers using MMM. But I was exhausted and didn't want to do anything else, so I decided to take a break until the weekend.

I'm not an expert, so still doing trial and error, but I've learned a lot through this forum.

All thanks to the members here, but especially to @harkpabst, @dominikz, and @slartibartfast who have given us lots of advice on speaker setup and RC.

Thank you so much 😊
 

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Next, today I adjusted the main speakers to use the MMM (Moving Mic Measurement) on the WiiM RC.

This is the response before adjustment. (All EQ is off.)
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During the first sweep measurement, the mic was fixed on the listening position, and during the pink noise measurement, mic was moved 30 cm range around the head.
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This is my RC setting.
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Target : B&K
Freg : 100-500hz
Max Gain : +3dB
Min Gain : -12dB
Max Q : 10
Smoothing : 1/12 oct



After MMM RC
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It is now about ±2dB at 100hz-500hz 🙂


This is the response obtained on April 20 (prior to the room rearrangement).
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This was the only image left that could be compared, so I ran RC under the same conditions using a WiiM Mini.

And this is the result of today's correction.
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Better!



[listening]
I started, as always, with listening to sweeps.
Play the 105-25hz and 110-30hz test tracks on Amazon music.
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It is the smoothest I have ever heard. It's perfect except for the fact that I can hear resonance somewhere in the room...

Then listen to the 20-20khz slow sweep.
It sounds a little strong around 1khz-2kHz, but that's ok.
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Then I listened to Sade's Kiss of Life.
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Ah, it's so wonderful.

Since there are no unpleasant sounds, I find myself wanting to turn up the volume more and more. Eventually I decide to pull the volume up 10% to normal volume.

I don't know why, but the LED bulb in the room is flickering. It seems to have broken...


Billy Irish is next.
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Billie is whispering in my ear. Breath is tickling my ear...


The last one is Ariana.
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Finally an angel came into my room and began to sing lightly...





...
I'm looking forward to future additions to the L/R MMM, but already very happy with this one.
For now.

Well done, WiiM home! 😄
 
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This is an amazing result! Congratulations! The time spent clearly yielded the best possible outcome. It's great that Wiim provides us with such flexibility.
 
This is an amazing result! Congratulations! The time spent clearly yielded the best possible outcome. It's great that Wiim provides us with such flexibility.
Thank you so much 🤗
 
These are the PEQ values applied at the WHA this time.

[Left Sub]
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[Right Sub]
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Since a low-pass filter can't be applied on the WHA side to the Sub connected to the Pro, the low-pass on the Sub side was set to 100 hz and the PEQ was lowered to 145 hz.

[Before]
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[After]
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The main loudspeaker was taken directly from the MMM RC results.
(The MMM response was the smoothest.)
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I hope that in the near future the WHA RC frequency graph will be more readable and accurate.
 
These are the PEQ values applied at the WHA this time.

[Left Sub]
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[Right Sub]
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Since a low-pass filter can't be applied on the WHA side to the Sub connected to the Pro, the low-pass on the Sub side was set to 100 hz and the PEQ was lowered to 145 hz.

[Before]
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[After]
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The main loudspeaker was taken directly from the MMM RC results.
(The MMM response was the smoothest.)
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I hope that in the near future the WHA RC frequency graph will be more readable and accurate.
It looks pretty good even before RC 🙂
 
I would be happy if you could take a look at the thread title and category. But thank you 😄

You can use minidsp to align the subs. Then either use the wiim room correction on the sub output, or the minidsp manual EQ.
 
You can use minidsp to align the subs. Then either use the wiim room correction on the sub output, or the minidsp manual EQ.
I know, but I don't have Minidsp and I don't intend to buy it. (And in my country it is very expensive.)

Also, the purpose of here is to correct the room without using a PC, but only with the WiiM app on the Android phone.
 
Excellent and hard work, congratulations!

One question:

The 100 Hz cut in the main speakers was done with the SUB tool in the Ultra menu - OK;

How did you do the 100 Hz cut on the subwoofers from the Pro, was it done directly on them? Have you tried using the HS filter on the PEQ?

I thought all your work was fantastic, I intend to implement something similar here, and it helped me a lot to be able to “see” the entire process.

Thanks for posting!
 
Excellent and hard work, congratulations!

One question:

The 100 Hz cut in the main speakers was done with the SUB tool in the Ultra menu - OK;

How did you do the 100 Hz cut on the subwoofers from the Pro, was it done directly on them? Have you tried using the HS filter on the PEQ?

I thought all your work was fantastic, I intend to implement something similar here, and it helped me a lot to be able to “see” the entire process.

Thanks for posting!
Hi @AdrianoWR,

Thank you very much.
Yes, the 100hz crossover is done in the WiiM app, and the Pro is connected to the Sub's LFE jack. HS filter is not used.

However, I have now quit the above connection method and use a splitter cable to connect the Amp Ultra's sub out to the Pro's line in. (This is because adding a TV has made volume control a bit more complicated during group playback.)
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As an aside..
Yesterday I ran RoomFit for the first time in 2 months and was happy to find it running more consistently than before. After an hour or so of readjusting while trying out the new Cut-Only Mode, this is what I ended up with 😄

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I would like to redo the speaker settings and fill in the 200hz and 1khz dips, but I don't know how to do that, so I've half given up. 😅
 
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Perfect.

You have replaced the MRM Wi-Fi connection with a physical cable connection. And this way you are using the subs in mono.

Did you notice any changes in relation to the stereo subs?
 
Perfect.

You have replaced the MRM Wi-Fi connection with a physical cable connection. And this way you are using the subs in mono.

Did you notice any changes in relation to the stereo subs?

Yes, it is now a mono sub.
The stereo sub was very good. But I really like the current sound. Probably won't change much. Now it is crossed at 120hz.
 
Yes, the 100hz crossover is done in the WiiM app, and the Pro is connected to the Sub's LFE jack. HS filter is not used.

@AdrianoWR

Sorry, I made a mistake..
At the time I was using the subwoofer's low-pass filter, not the LFE connection. I remember set the low pass to 100hz 120hz and adjusted the roll-off with a PK of 145hz.

Of course, as it is now connected to the WiiM sub-out, there is no need to set up a low-pass on the sub side.
 
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@Wiimer
Wondering rather than critiquing - is a splitter into the pro neceassary?
i.e. it's a mono output from the ultra so could the pro be set to mono and send the same sound to both subs if only one of the pro inputs was used?
 
@Wiimer
Wondering rather than critiquing - is a splitter into the pro neceassary?
i.e. it's a mono output from the ultra so could the pro be set to mono and send the same sound to both subs if only one of the pro inputs was used?

I honestly hadn't thought of that 😂

I haven't checked, but in that case you might lose sound from one of the subwoofers. It might also reduce the output signal level? I'll try it later.
 
@Wiimer
Wondering rather than critiquing - is a splitter into the pro neceassary?
i.e. it's a mono output from the ultra so could the pro be set to mono and send the same sound to both subs if only one of the pro inputs was used?
I have checked, and you are right 😄

I disconnected the splitter cable (adapter) and connected the Amp's sub out to the Pro's RCAs (right) and I got sound from both subs.

However, this connection seems to be a little less loud than with the splitter cable. I will continue to use the splitter cable.

Now I'm considering whether I should replace the Pro with a Pro Plus..
 
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