Which amp to match the Ultra?

As has been mentioned on ASR before, just because something sounds appealing to you "straight away" and without any adjustments simply says nothing about better or worse. There are so many things that can be different and might need to be adjusted differently and that's particularly true for something like a sub out.

Technically, it's far less demanding than a good full range high level output. But there are more variables and if you're not willing to pay attention to them your results will always be random. Different filter slopes, different filter types (high pass for mains, yes or no), different levels, different polarity ... there are technical differences and without adjustment things can go wrong.

That's all technical stuff, no magic, no "music only" effects, that measurement can't cover
Ofcourse i played with all the settings and tried several things but it just didn't sound right. Overall the Wiim Amp just isn't for me and maybe i had a faulty unit.
 
Love to combine new and older tech. Just picked up this for a few Euros in perfect condition from a friend. Will try if the Ultra and the Lux can have a reasonable relationship, but I am quite sure it will. Build 1985 with no remote, so the Ultra should do the fine tuning 😉

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I have everything running on seventies Sansui Amps and Receivers. Great musicality.
 
Yeah only "problem" is that you can only "buy" the V3 on kickstarter (with a discount) at the moment and what if there are problems with the V3, where to send it back? Also the Wiim Ultra would be my only "affordable" option for a pre amp with a display and HDMI Arc so I hope it meets my expectations, in terms of sound.
You buy from Fosi direct so you can send it back to them. You can join their community forum or Facebook group for support.
 
In the many reviews I’ve seen, most of which have been good but the odd one has had the odd question, I’ve never seen the sub out criticised.

Far more chance you were just unlucky and had a dodgy unit, or something in the settings not quite right, than there’s something wrong with WiiM’s subwoofer outputs.
I tried all the settings etc. but it still did not improve. But i wasn't satisfied with the soundquality of the Wiim Amp in general. Maybe i expected too much but i've read so many raving reviews and i've read somewhere on this forum that someone even prefers the Wiim Amp over his NAD M10 which i really can't imagine.
 
You buy from Fosi direct so you can send it back to them. You can join their community forum or Facebook group for support.
When you pledge on Kickstarter you don't buy from Fosi, because you don't "buy" at all. You're just "hoping" for a "reward". But you have no legal entitlement to it.
 
It's still a few weeks, probably months until the release of the WiiM Ultra so maybe just wait until the V3 becomes widely available? I've found it available for preorder on a few webstores already.

 
It's still a few weeks, probably months until the release of the WiiM Ultra so maybe just wait until the V3 becomes widely available? I've found it available for preorder on a few webstores already.

Yeah i could wait but then it will be more expensive :unsure::eek::LOL:
 
Well i have added the SMSL SU-1 dac to the Wiim Mini and Fosi Audio ZA3 and wow! what a difference it made for me. Now it finally sounds more to my liking. To my idea the soundquality now comes close to my NAD C700. Maybe the NAD C700 stills sounds a tiny bit smoother/warmer but it sounds hi-end enough. Guess the external dac was the missing link for me. I think the Bluesound Node will arrive coming tuesday/wednesday but now i am not really that curious anymore to try it out because i am already satisfied with the result of the combination i have now.

Plan is to keep the SMSL SU-1 and to return the Wiim Mini and Fosi Audio. Then getting 2 Fosi Audio V3 mono amps and a Wiim Ultra as soon as it comes out in The Netherlands.

What amplifier did you use with the Wiim and SMSL SU-1?
I want to share you my experience to. First time i had a topping mx5 amplifier only 2x35 watts and kef q350, used for music and tv connected by optical. But 2 remotes, not so good, so i buyed bluesound powernode n330 wich as i understood sounds same like nad c700, without fancy display. I felt like more power but loosing details, 3d sound, sounded more musical but like in my car, nothing special. Than i said to try smsl ao300 same with hdmi, around 300 euro, instantly much much better sound!!!!! With a lot of details, great mids and bass, 3d sound. Of course, i sold my powernode n330. For streaming i bought wiim pro plus using wiim dac sound a little bit better and have combo all in one for tv and music. But....:)) Like everyone you want more, i saw some reviews about topping pa7/plus like it s one of the best class d amp. And i bought it🙈 It s more clean, smooth sound than smsl, not night and day difference but it s enough to switch. I m very happy with wiim pro plus and pa7 but i lost my hdmi again🙈, that s why i pre ordered wiim ultra with hdmi, trigger and i hooe better dac. Sorry for long response. All the best!!
 
Currently waiting for my two Fosi Mono blocks, from the Kickstarter. Looks like they will arrive before the Wiim Ultra. Hooking it all up to a pair of Dali Oberon 5's (and possibly a Argon S850 sub).
Curious how that will work out. Hope it will be to your liking.
 
I want to share you my experience to. First time i had a topping mx5 amplifier only 2x35 watts and kef q350, used for music and tv connected by optical. But 2 remotes, not so good, so i buyed bluesound powernode n330 wich as i understood sounds same like nad c700, without fancy display. I felt like more power but loosing details, 3d sound, sounded more musical but like in my car, nothing special. Than i said to try smsl ao300 same with hdmi, around 300 euro, instantly much much better sound!!!!! With a lot of details, great mids and bass, 3d sound. Of course, i sold my powernode n330. For streaming i bought wiim pro plus using wiim dac sound a little bit better and have combo all in one for tv and music. But....:)) Like everyone you want more, i saw some reviews about topping pa7/plus like it s one of the best class d amp. And i bought it🙈 It s more clean, smooth sound than smsl, not night and day difference but it s enough to switch. I m very happy with wiim pro plus and pa7 but i lost my hdmi again🙈, that s why i pre ordered wiim ultra with hdmi, trigger and i hooe better dac. Sorry for long response. All the best!!
Good to hear that. I have a slightly different experience. I like how the Fosi Audio ZA3 + Wiim Mini + SMSL SU-1 dac sounds but i still think my NAD C700 sounds a little bit smoother and immersive. I don't know the Topping PA7 but is it really such a step up? I know what you are saying concerning HDMI. I also need HDMI Arc (and a display/screen) so that's why i also want a Wiim Ultra. Challenge for me is to build the best sounding system for a low budget which suits my preference/listening enjoyment.
 
I somehow doubt that the term "match" has been used that literally.

There are many ways a pre-amp might match or not match a power-amp: Simply visually (if just for similar size), regarding the input and output connectors (for not needing adapters or custom cables), output level and amplifier gain (no fixed standards there), output and input impedance (usually not much of an issue nowadays, but as we have seen people will use older equipment) and finally, yes, "sound signature".

It's also fair to just ask others what their plans are for no special reason. Since most everything about the Ultra is still speculation or preliminary information nobody should expect any "right" or "wrong" answer. :)
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Well guys, i have just pledged to 2x Fosi Audio V3 Mono ampflifiers. Don't know how it goes from here but i hope all goes well and i'll receive them soon 🤞
 
I have 2 V3 Mono's and they do sound great - I think they would make a great match for the Ultra
How fast did you get them after you pledged and how does the process work? I understand you will also receive some form to fill after the pledge before they will start to send the V3 mono's. Do you happen to know if they sound better then the ZA3?
 
Anybody combined Wiim streamers with Shiit REKKR or GJALLARHORN? I've never considered them due to their (very) low power, but yesterday I chatted about the Wiim Ultra with an employee from a Hifi store, and he said he's going to pair the Ultra with one of these 2 amplifiers for a demo in the store. He's already using them in the store and even at home with fairly large speakers. I can't however imagine it sounding good and being reasonably loud, but he was so convinced that I became somewhat curious about these small amplifiers. I could believe that they sound nice (although I have never heard Schiit audio equipment).
 
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I've read several reviews of the Gjallarhorn which report that it seemingly performs way better than its apparantly puny power output would suggest.

Valve lovers have no problem with 10W x 10W power outputs. To quote an old cliche, "It's not what you have, it's what you do with it".
 
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